Miaskovsky - some guidance needed

[JimL]

Have read poor reviews of Svetlanov's take on no.5 if I recall and have to agree. Too slow.  Downes on Marco Polo is one of several good recordings though (and his recording premiered- I think; such claims should always be careful on principle - no.9 in E minor, another really lovely, passionate symphony.)

I don't know about Downes premiering.  I have a fine performance conducted by Konstantin Ivanov with the USSR Radio Symphony.  Surely it must predate the Downes/BBC Philharmonic.

[eschiss1]

Really? I thought that (the Ivanov) was a recording of the 5th, not the 9th... and Downes' recording of the 5th, I think, wasn't even its 2nd recording, let alone its premiere, no. (Recording) Premiere of the 9th, though, I believe it was...
(Whether or not Ivanov recorded the 9th - he did record the 5th and 16th and quite well. And 21, but I haven't heard that recording of his, I think.)

[JimL]

Sorry.  I was talking about the 5th.  I didn't realize the premiere recording to which you were referring was the 9th.

[eschiss1]

Ah, but I was so clear, as always *removes the mud... clear mud of course!* wasn't I? *and more mud* Now where'd that all come from...

Relatively major un(commercially) recorded Myaskovsky (some of these have been recorded ... not commercially): at least the following-
*two cantatas? oratorios? (Kreml Nochu (The Kremlin at Night); and Kirov is With Us)
*one violin sonata (op.70, in F major. two movements; a sonata form, and a theme and variations-and-finale. The tape, and CD copy, I have of this is in --...erm... ... decrepit sound, in my honest opinion.)

[vandermolen]

I forgot to mention Cello Sonata No 2 as one of his finest works - a lovely work (there are several recordings).  Worth looking out, especially if you don't know Miaskovsky's chamber music.

[eschiss1]

both cello sonatas. agreed!

[reineckeforever]

some yeas ago. I downloaded a Piano Concerto in 2 movements (don't know if this is the complete concerto) by Miaskovsky. The player was Igor Zhukov. I am non sure that this piece is really written by Miaskovsky, but I'd like to know if someone does know it.
Bye, Andrea

[alberto]

There is the two movements Concert-Fantasia for Piano and Orchestra by P.I. Thcaicovskij in a recording by Igor Zhukov.

[reineckeforever]

I know the concerto-fantasia, the style is quite different, more modern. SO it could be myaskovsky, but i never found notice about his piano concerto...
thx, Andrea

[eschiss1]

I'd heard from someone else at some point I think about a (possibly unfinished) piano concerto by Myaskovsky but I am dubious.  (One arranged from a film score by Weinberg, yes, that does exist.)

[eschiss1]

The Tchaikovsky concert-fantasia? In quite a few recordings, and deservedly so (not to suggest that Myask. works that are wholly unrecorded except for broadcasts, like the violin sonata in F major op.70, are also deservedly so... ah, you know what I mean. I have heard the violin sonata- in a tape with more hiss crackle and pop than I would wish on a Madison Avenue hack - but near as I can tell , it's pretty good though not as good as the 2 cello sonatas-  still, deserves better than no recordings... worthy contemporary (which it is; op70 to 69) of the very fine 25th symphony.

[reineckeforever]

Well, when I'll come back home I'll listen it again, then, if it is possible, I'd like to post it here, so we can enlarge the discussion.
I don't know deeply the orchestral works of Myaskovsky, so it's difficult for me to catch stylistical similarity.
the violin sonata op.70 is difficult to find also in score, but now I am looking for it.
A bit too harsh with Tchaykovsky op. 56?Don't you like first movement cadenza...dialogue between piano and cello in the second...?
Bye, Andrea

[eschiss1]

... me? I do quite like the Tchaikovsky, wasn't implying otherwise???

[reineckeforever]

sorry , I understood that you meant that tchaykovsky op.56 has - deservedly -  quite few recordings.

[eschiss1]

I said deservedly quite a few recordings. As in, not a few, by now, and a good thing, too. Sorry, English prides itself on being one confusing language, and I don't help much