Georgy Catoire 1861-1926

[jerfilm]

A couple of more Russian Piano Concertos.  Forgive me if someone has already listed them:

Blumenfeld, Felix  (1863-1931)
Dobroven, A.  (1894-1953)
Dzerzhinsky, I.  (1909-?) 1,2
Kossenko, Viktor  (1896-1938)
Napravnik, Edward  (1839-1916)
Zhelobinsky, V.  (1913-1946)  1,2,3

Jerry

[Christopher]

I know that the Blumenfeld, Dobrowen, Kosenko and Napravnik pieces have been recorded (I have them all except the Kosenko).  I don't know anything about the Dzerzhinsky or the Zhelobinsky - do you have any further info?  Are they "late-romantic" in style, or discordant-Soviet...?  They are not listed on pianoconcerto's aforementioned list as works that have been recorded...

[jerfilm]

Can only say that they came out of either 54 or 80 Grove's Dictionary.

Jerry

[Gareth Vaughan]

According to the database of works for piano-and-orchestra published by member pianoconcerto (http://www.siue.edu/~aho/discography/Discography.pdf) Maliszewski's concerto has been recorded, as has another piece "Kujavian Fantasy, Op. 25 (1928)".

Yes, but these are not commercially available. Maliszewski wrote 3 symphonies, the scores of which can be viewed on IMSLP.

Dzerzhinsky, I.  (1909-?) 1,2

According to Giles, Dzerzhinsky wrote 3 PCs. I think they are all  basically tonal and romantic.

[eschiss1]

It's the digitization arm of the University of Rochester, New York. They digitize lots and lots of things including musical scores (and parts and...) that are public domain in the United States where they're based; see the musical scores institutional collection page which also has an RSS feed as well as a search, or see UR Research home page.

There are thankfully (to my preservation-minded - mind what has happened to music and books and other art over the ages; nothing is eternal- to my mind- but one can extend! (Yes, I know much is preserved that seems not worth preserving, but much of it is worthwhile to someone, and will never know in advance if it isn't. ... etc. )) many such sites now.  A most worthy project, I think! And IMSLP - (where I edit and am now an admin_ also makes much use of Sibley Library/URResearch (whose librarians are very helpful and very responsive on the rare occasions that something hasn't scanned right, for instance, but whose scans and scanning software are much better than those of many of the other sites I know of )

[markniew]

Witold Maliszewski's concerto and Kuyavian Fantasy were recorded years ago for the archives of the Polish Radio and have never been issued neither on Lps nor CDs. So they deserve to be recorded anew. the same with a number of other polish piano concertos known solely from off radio registrations

[Gareth Vaughan]

Hear, hear!

[markniew]

The label the Catoire is on is Dutton.  The CD should be out early next year. There are a number of unrecorded Russian pre 1918 works for piano and orchestra. Koreshchenko  1870-1921 Fantasy for piano and orchestra 1894, Ivan Krizhanovsky 1867-1924 piano concerto, Vasily Wrangell Fantasy 1893, Boris Assafiev 1884-1949 piano concerto, Vladimir Pukhalsky 1848-1933 piano concerto.

There is also the first Sherwood piano concerto yet to be recorded !

Hiro Takenouchi does at times play in a piano quartet so I am sure would be open to recording suggestions

Hiro Takenouchi has asked us about other Russian/other? PCs which were not recorded and are worth to be recorded. all of us we indicate names and pieces that we have found in dictionaries and so on. the question is wether they are really good! I know that for afficionados of PCs - and I believe most of us here are such ones - each unknown piece is of great interest. A number of you are for sure literate in reading scores but I am not. so I cannot judge based on notes that particular composition is nice, good, lovely or so. due to that I think that decisive suggestions may be present by the "notes-literate" participants of the discussion :-). However I will be happy for every new discovery. as I said a day ago there are a numeber of nice Polish conncertos recorded only for radio archives and are broadcasted from time to time. some have been recorded (I know) but were not on the air during my long "career" of collector.

[Christopher]

markniew wrote:
<<Hiro Takenouchi has asked us about other Russian/other? PCs which were not recorded and are worth to be recorded. all of us we indicate names and pieces that we have found in dictionaries and so on. the question is wether they are really good! I know that for afficionados of PCs - and I believe most of us here are such ones - each unknown piece is of great interest. A number of you are for sure literate in reading scores but I am not. so I cannot judge based on notes that particular composition is nice, good, lovely or so. due to that I think that decisive suggestions may be present by the "notes-literate" participants of the discussion :-). However I will be happy for every new discovery. as I said a day ago there are a numeber of nice Polish conncertos recorded only for radio archives and are broadcasted from time to time. some have been recorded (I know) but were not on the air during my long "career" of collector.>>


Well, I think the best those of us who are lay-people can do is to bring unrecorded works to the attention of people like Mr. Takenouchi and leave it to his professional judgement as to whether they have worth or not....

[reineckeforever]

the Catoire's PC ins't in A flat?
I haven't seen the score but somewhere i read that in its big orchestra there aren't horns.
Bye, Andrea

[Alan Howe]

The PC is indeed in A flat.

[eschiss1]

How's Jeremy Norris' books on the Russian Piano Concerto in the 19th Century? Haven't read them, may go see if the local university has a copy I can browse.

[eschiss1]

Does Mr. Takenouchi want just Russian concertos, Russian concertos and concertos from countries like the Ukraine that were at one point Russian, or concertos from that general geographical area? Would help in looking for an answer, as would a general timeframe

[JimL]

the Catoire's PC ins't in A flat?
I haven't seen the score but somewhere i read that in its big orchestra there aren't horns.
Bye, Andrea

Speaking of weird orchestras, has anybody noticed that in Herz' PC 1 there are no trumpets?  Timpani, yes, trombones, yes, but no trumpets.  Kind of odd.

[Christopher]

Does Mr. Takenouchi want just Russian concertos, Russian concertos and concertos from countries like the Ukraine that were at one point Russian, or concertos from that general geographical area? Would help in looking for an answer, as would a general timeframe

I have assumed he means countries of the former Russian and Soviet empires, and so have included Ukrainians, Georgians, Armenians, etc in my search.  I can't answer as to time period....