A Moszkowski Symphony?

[Gareth Vaughan]

Thank you very much. So we are probably looking at 40+ mins.
Fleisher gives the running time of the "Joan of Arc" symphony as 45 mins, though whether this is based on an actual performance or guesswork I don't know. Either way, it would be difficult to get both works on one disk. So one of the suites might be a more viable option.

[vesteel]

The Scherzo should be around 7-8 minutes using the tempo I gave (~160 BPM) because in Sibelius the speed of Allegro and Vivo/Vivace are the same (120 BPM) which is slow

[eschiss1]

As one can tell from assignments of tempo markings with metronome numbers in scores they depend too on time signatures among other things

[vesteel]

I finished the Scherzo https://drive.google.com/open?id=1y46fjZyDCbZB1EJaQ6S7Y8vPHpiO9s3X duration is 8 minutes. I can't say if it's 100% accurate tho
Reading the score while listening might help if the audio is not clear enough

also to Monju: Can I get at least the xml file (or better, a sib file) of the midis you made? Thanks

[Alan Howe]

Love the music. Trying to get a handle on the overall style. Anyone?

Is there a possibility that someone might be able to post the whole symphony so that it can be auditioned in one go?

[tpaloj]

Can I get at least the xml file (or better, a sib file) of the midis you made? Thanks

I wrote the Larghetto in Musescore so no .sib files unfortunately. Hope you can make use of the .xml files. (The midi file has some incorrectly assigned instruments due to conversion from Musescore data but is otherwise ok)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fi7kkg0bq7dwpv2/larghetto%20xml.mxl?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9jwgok9fqu1uo22/larghetto%20musicxml.musicxml?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9ohdyst2sr9tur7/larghetto%20midi.mid?dl=0

The 1st movement midi I wrote in NWC since I find it very easy and fast to input notes in. The program is no use for making properly typeset or formatted scores but atleast has some use. Limited support for exporting to .xml unfortunately too - I doubt the .xml conversion is very accurate. In case you have any use for the .nwc file it's here too:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ze2frt9k7x2lv92/Moszkowski%20-%20Symphony%20first%20movement%20nwc.nwc?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xncpv1ofgdafgl/Moszkowski%20-%20symphony%20first%20movement%2C%2C%20nwc%20xml.xml?dl=0

It would be great if you can find use for these files, like Alan Howe is saying perhaps to create a consistent, full computerized 'recording' in due time?



By the way.... besides the MS, does the library also have the instrument parts? Or are they lost and have to be created?

[eschiss1]

I forget, was there ever even a performance? There might not even be instrumental parts.

[tpaloj]

It gets a mention in symetrie's preface to the Op.3 Piano Concerto score: "... The first performance of the piano concerto took place on Saturday, 27 February 1875, under the direction of Ludwig von Brenner and with the composer at the piano. The Symphony in D minor (MoszWV 146) and the Caprice op. 4 (MoszWV 3) were also on the program. ..."

Doh, I should've read the early posts in this thread more carefully. Bojan Assenov had confirmed that BnF only has the complete score, no parts.

[eschiss1]

Oh right, sorry-- Assenov p.28: "Ein anderer Kopist namens Gräsemann produzierte die Stimmen zur Symphonie d-Moll MoszWV 146, welche ebenfalls auf dem Programm stand."  Not sure if this helps us find it, but.. yes. Thanks. Sorry!!

(Assenov p.360 has "Sonnabend, 17. Januar [1875] [...] Dann begann die Orchesterklasse u. zwar mit meiner Symphonie. (Finale.) Es wurde 2mal gespielt und klang ganz erträglich." - so 17 January, just the finale, source: Moszkowski's Tagebuch. No mention in there I can see offhand of a complete performance on the 27th, but perhaps it's mentioned elsewhere eg a published journal. There's also a piano quintet Mos 136 mentioned on p.8, hrm.. ok, I want to look into that if only to find out it's lost (or not) but... er...) (Ah. Incomplete, 3 movements, or something.)

[vesteel]

The whole thing is done Total time is 38 minutes. The 1st movement is the longest (13 mins) while the other three are less than 10 minutes long.
Here's the 4 movements in zip form:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yKvUTWoTzCcQkSmETXVnmQ8My1dOHJ_r/view

For sure my transcription isn't 100% accurate. I need to guess nearly half the dynamics (since it sounds strange for the strings to be playing pp while the winds in ff) and I might've misplaced some notes but I think the final render sounds fine. Also thank you Monju for help on the 1st and 3rd movements! It saved me some time.

I also made a score video of it: https://youtu.be/XR65lHPvzE8

[semloh]

Thank you for this, vesteel - it's quite an achievement. I'm looking forward to listening.

[Ilja]

Vesteel, I'm hugely impressed. By your work, obviously, but I hope you'll allow me to be actually blown over by Moszkowski's symphony itself. It's a great piece, which makes its fate up to now all the more unjust. But I'm very glad to have heard it now. The fact that Sibelius renderings have gotten so much better lately helps, of course. It's still somewhat artificial, but by now one can actually listen to the music without being distracted continually.
Edit: Vesteel, I've sent you a DM.

[tpaloj]

I'm late to reply this, but your computerization is really impressive, vesteel! Listened to the whole thing earlier - great!

I couldn't help but notice second half of the 1st movement has plenty incorrect notes - most likely stemming from my lacking source files that I had provided, sorry for that. My .xml export also seems to have messed rhythms in a few bars in middle of Larghetto, in the section with all the TS changes. Fantastic work, especially the Finale sounds perfect in this rendition.

And I completely forgot to upload the sheet music of the Larghetto, silly me. It was all but done sitting in my computer. Here we are...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h5h2sd9cki5mh60/Moszkowski%20Symphony%20in%20D%20-%20III%20Larghetto.pdf?dl=0

[JeremyMHolmes]

I see the Johanna D'Arco Symphony/Symphonic Poem is on its way from Toccata Classics, and this looks likely to be a series of Moszkowski Orchestral Music CDs.

https://toccataclassics.com/pipeline/

[Alan Howe]

Please see this thread for the forthcoming Toccata CD:
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,7234.0.html