Sterndale Bennett - Konzertstück in A minor WO 48

Started by promusician, Tuesday 29 October 2024, 22:31

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promusician

Quote from: Martin Eastick on Friday 01 November 2024, 10:53I know that the the RAM has the MS for Bache's G minor concerto, and also at least one of his other works for piano and orchestra, namely a Polonaise, which was later published in a revised piano solo form as his Op9.
Then there is, of course John Francis Barnett's D minor concerto, but this would have to be orchestrated - although Martin Yates would be and ideal candidate for the job! But perhaps the 2-piano concerto can also be given the same treatment if necessary|

The 2 piano reduction is made from original manuscript which includes the full score

Wo 48/A.4, Autograph full score of movements 1 and 3, final version; titled '5th Concerto in A minor', not signed or dated.
WO 48/A.2, Autograph full score of movement 2; untitled, not signed or dated.
WO 48/A.1, Autograph full score of movements 1 and 3, 1843 version; titled 'Concert-Stück - Pianoforte, with Orchestra', signed and dated May 1843 and 2 Jun 1843.
WO 48/A.3, Movement 3, piano part with orchestral cues, not signed, dated 1843.
WO 48/C.1, Set of parts in a professional hand for Finale only, dated Jun 1844.
WO 48/C.2, Set of parts probably copied by William Godwin, dated 1848.

eschiss1

Not the famous William Godwin who died 1836 (father of Mary Shelley but famous in his own right) but is anything known about this William Godwin?

Martin Eastick

I'm sorry if I did not make myself clear! I was referring to the 2-piano concerto in collaboration with G.MacFarren. Depending on what is still extant, Martin Yates is surely the person to do any necessary completion/orchestration of what is missing! Simon Callaghan and Hiroaki Takenouchi would be ideal for this!

Another contender that comes to mind is the concerto by Charles Edward Horsley, the MS of which is just missing a page at the end, if I recall correctly.

promusician

Quote from: Martin Eastick on Friday 01 November 2024, 14:59I'm sorry if I did not make myself clear! I was referring to the 2-piano concerto in collaboration with G.MacFarren. Depending on what is still extant, Martin Yates is surely the person to do any necessary completion/orchestration of what is missing! Simon Callaghan and Hiroaki Takenouchi would be ideal for this!

Another contender that comes to mind is the concerto by Charles Edward Horsley, the MS of which is just missing a page at the end, if I recall correctly.

I see. Rumours said that the 2 piano concerto is not a good composition, although I haven't heard the music myself. Maybe just for sake of completion, it will be included in the album. Most likely paired with WSB 4th concerto, which is so underperformed.
I am thinking of a 5 CD set of teacher and pupil piano concerto series: Cipriani Potter - WS Bennett - FE Bache

4candles

Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 01 November 2024, 10:09Do you know, by the way, what else will be on the Lyrita disk?
I have not yet had a reply from Simon, which is unusual. He normally responds at once, but he is a very busy bee!
Simon Callaghan's website confirms that, joining WSB's 6th piano concerto will be his 4th concerto, noted elsewhere here as underperformed. So this is all good news!

pianoconcerto

Since Martin Eastick mentioned the ms of Bache's piano concerto in g minor (1850) being in RAM, please note that Darrel Hoffman posted his realization of that score on YouTube last week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VZFbcrjwyU&t=313s

Thanks Darrel.

Martin Eastick

Although I shouldn't be the one to complain, I feel that Bennett's 4th Concerto (Op19) is simply the wrong coupling. Whilst I appreciate it should still be considered underperformed, the fact that Hyperion, with Howard Shelley, have already recorded concertos 1-4, as well as the Capriccio Op22, BUT not the earlier F minor concerto, this would be preferable as a coupling. However, I still think Bache's G minor work would have been better still - especially now having heard Darrel Hofmann's realisation of the work!
However, taking note of the announcement on Simon Callaghan's website, the mention of both Martin Yates AND Hero Takenouchi indicate that the Bennett/MacFarren collaboration may also be included!

promusician

Quote from: pianoconcerto on Tuesday 21 January 2025, 14:36Since Martin Eastick mentioned the ms of Bache's piano concerto in g minor (1850) being in RAM, please note that Darrel Hoffman posted his realization of that score on YouTube last week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VZFbcrjwyU&t=313s

Thanks Darrel.

I have acquired the full color score from RAM and passed it to Darrell for typesetting and realization. Very tough work as the clef and instrument changes are not clear in the manuscript. I will be contacting Callaghan for his consideration of recording this work.
In the meantime, we would be working on Bache's 1st version (year 1851) of Piano Concerto Op.18 which is different considerably from the recorded work.