Paul Büttner: Symphony No. 2, A Vision, Heroic Overture

Started by Tapiola, Friday 25 October 2024, 18:17

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eschiss1

Rereading the review: Buttner atheist? Drat, I missed services and prayers again. (!??!? People who don't know the meanings of the words they use are the least confusing kinds of reviewers, ...
I imagine he wishes to use the word "skeptic", not a word which means "not believing passively or actively in any deity" and which makes zero sense in context- but wth do I know.)
It's not.. wholly clear whether he's heard the Sterling recording.

tc

Quoting the review "He may have been a near-contemporary of Strauss, and a decade older than Mahler". My math fails...

Alan Howe

Quote from: tc on Wednesday 26 February 2025, 13:47and a decade older than Mahler

I'd missed that. Another factual error in an inadequate review.

terry martyn

The reviewer did me a good turn.  He encouraged me to listen both to a cut version (Pfluger) and to the cpo (three times).

And the result is that ,although I am no fan of mature Richard Strauss or later Mahler, I will be ordering it.

As Alan says, it is a winner.

Ilja

Quote from: Alan Howe on Wednesday 26 February 2025, 16:51
Quote from: tc on Wednesday 26 February 2025, 13:47and a decade older than Mahler

I'd missed that. Another factual error in an inadequate review.
I did notice it but I'm sure it's a typo. And as a writer of sorts I've made the same kind of error so I'm hesitant to judge him too hard there. The misjudgments regarding the overture are more egregious in my view because it is likely due to laziness.

Alan Howe


Ilja

Can be. But generally of an inadequate editorial process. That's what you have final editing for.

Alan Howe


tc

Quote from: Ilja on Tuesday 25 February 2025, 11:21

If we look at the waveforms (Weigle at the top and Pflüger at the bottom) the image seems pretty conclusive. Weigle is even a bit quicker in passages, particularly during the first third. About a minute of music cut by Pflüger can be found around the four minute mark in Weigle, and there's another minute or so at 14:00.
Now everyone seems to believe the overture was conducted by Pflüger due to an apparent "typo". But the conductor is actually Hans-Peter Frank according to the Sterling CD cover.

Alan Howe


Ilja

Quote from: tc on Friday 28 February 2025, 12:27
Quote from: Ilja on Tuesday 25 February 2025, 11:21

If we look at the waveforms (Weigle at the top and Pflüger at the bottom) the image seems pretty conclusive. Weigle is even a bit quicker in passages, particularly during the first third. About a minute of music cut by Pflüger can be found around the four minute mark in Weigle, and there's another minute or so at 14:00.
Now everyone seems to believe the overture was conducted by Pflüger due to an apparent "typo". But the conductor is actually Hans-Peter Frank according to the Sterling CD cover.
You see, that's why I'm tolerant towards innocent mistakes. Ahem. This is on me.

tc

I had no axe to grind against anyone. The point is just that the internet is a sea of misinformation, intentional or unintentional. Love life (or unsung compositions) and consume electronic waste wisely if one must.

Alan Howe

Quote from: tc on Saturday 01 March 2025, 14:17I had no axe to grind against anyone

No, quite. I'm glad you drew attention to the error. The issue is that it was a mistake in a review that made a much more serious error with regard to the comparison of the two recordings of the Heroic Overture.