Unreleased cpo recordings?

[Gareth Vaughan]

Top of my list, Ilja (and I know Alan will quite rightly want to open a new thread if we are going down this route*) would be the remaining Rontgen? symphonies (I think there are just 4 left to complete the cycle of extant works).

[Alan Howe]

*New thread duly opened...

So, which of Röntgen's symphonies remain to be recorded/released? As far as I can tell, the very early symphonies are lost, leaving only a very few late works unrecorded (very late because the vast majority of his symphonies were composed in the period from 1930 until his death in September 1932).

[eschiss1]

Well, Peter1953 posted a list here based on a 2007 book, this thread. Not sure which ones are lost (he notes that no.2 had to be reconstructed).
Between recordings on Cobra and cpo, I think we can say that nos.
3-10a,  11, 12, 14, 15, 18, 19,  21-24

are recorded- will augment that list in a minute... ah right, the "Symphonietta humoristica" that's been recorded is also called "symphony no.4", so... that still leaves nos. 1, 2, 10b, 13, 16, 17, and 20, or any of those that still exist, anyway...

[Gareth Vaughan]

See my posting on 1st October 2021 in the thread "Rontgen symphonies on cpo"

[eschiss1]

I wouldn't mind encouraging them to finally release the first two Straesser symphonies, and maybe get on with nos.3-6

Also, skimming one of our other boards, there's those Francis-conducted Weismann symphonies and concertos...

[Alan Howe]

Re: Röntgen Symphonies:

Those composed before No.3 in C minor are LOST. The following official catalogue lists the 21 extant symphonies:
https://www.juliusrontgen.nl/en/work/list-of-compositions/symphonic-music/

As far as I can see, 17 have been recorded by cpo, but I just can't be bothered to work out which four haven't been recorded, mainly because the symphonies in the official listing (above) aren't numbered!

[Gareth Vaughan]

My post referenced above makes it clear. Also, incidentally, the Waltz Symphony (10a) and the symphony Spielt auf (10b) are, according to the Nederlands Institut catalogue, identical.

[Alan Howe]

Apologies, Gareth. I obviously missed the post you were referring to. This is the key information, for which many thanks:

This release leaves only the following symphonies to be recorded/released by CPO (for all we know they may have been recorded already):
No. 13 in A minor, Alle eendjes zwemmen in het water, (29 Nov. 1930) [based on a children's song]
No. 16, The Tempest, (21 Apr. 1931) [inspired by Shakespeare's play]
No. 17, Wilhelm Meister, (5 May 1931)
No. 20 in C minor, Mit Schlußchor über Goethe's Prooemion [Im Namen Dessen der sich selbst erschuf] (19 Sep. 1931)

As I thought: all four are late symphonies composed at some point from 1930.

[Ilja]

Woyrsch #1, #6 and perhaps #"0" have also been recorded and I wouldn't mind being able to listen to them.

[Alan Howe]

I would really like to see cpo take on Thieriot's symphonies. I suggested this to Howard Griffiths, so you never know...

[Gareth Vaughan]

Hear, hear, Alan. Thieriot strikes me, from what little we have been able to access, as a fine symphonist. Superior to Emilie Mayer, for example!

[raffite33]

For however many years now, I've been hoping that the remaining Raff symphonies by Werner Andreas Albert and the Philharmonia Hungarica that were recorded by WDR would somehow see the light of day.  Project killed off by some contractual dispute or something, wasn't it?  I seem to remember that the glorious 5th was next up for issue. I guess I should just be grateful we got 7 through 11.  Still, hope, like stupidity, springs eternal.