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The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: eschiss1 on Sunday 31 July 2011, 00:27

Title: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 31 July 2011, 00:27
this is probably covered in some standard reference work, apologies - besides the opus 96 symphony in D minor, Philipp Scharwenka is said ( somewhere or other ...) to have written two others. Are they unpublished? Anyone have any details about their key, dates, dispositions?
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Balapoel on Sunday 31 July 2011, 04:52
Well, there is:
Symphonia brevis in E flat major for Orchestra, Op. 115
but I don't have a record of opera 1-2, 4-5, 7-9, 14-15, and 119.

Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 31 July 2011, 05:15
op.119 seem to be 3 songs for women's chorus...
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 31 July 2011, 10:05
As well as the Symphony and Symphonia Brevis themselves there's the Dramatische Phantasie op.108 which is certainly symphonically conceived. I wonder if that's what's being counted as a third symphony? My copy of the Philipp Scharwenka work list, with the same gaps I'm afraid, is here (http://www.mediafire.com/?xxffo0pjfq8pxnd).
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Martin Eastick on Wednesday 03 August 2011, 13:26
Mark - many thanks for the works lists here. I can fill your gap at Op51  namely: Arie for violin (or cello) and piano. As to the Op3 - Polish Dance; I have my suspicions here - this is probably a reference to his brother' most famous creation! Of course, I stand to be corrected if anyone could provide a copy of Philipp's work!

The early missing works to the best of my knowledge were never published and the manuscripts appear not to have survived unfortunately. However it may be worth getting in touch with Evelinde Trenkner at the Scharwenka Society in Lubeck to see if anyone there can help.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Ilja on Wednesday 30 June 2021, 11:23
Allow me to resurrect this thread. At present, I'm looking for the score of Philipp Scharwenka's D minor symphony, Op. 96 - his second. The Scharwenka society appears to be inactive, and I can't really find a trace of the score's whereabouts. If someone could give me some pointers, I'd be grateful.

To reply to the ten-year old question raised in the thread: I believe that Scharwenka's symphonies are these:
The confusion may be caused by the facts that a) Herbstfeier is sometimes referred to as a "symphonic poem", while the Arkadische Suite, Op. 76 is also called Arkadische Symphonie in some newspaper reports of the time. And the Dramatische Phantasie is of course a symphony in all but name.

p.s. you will also find these works on Wikipedia, which I updated yesterday.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 30 June 2021, 11:50
Thanks, Ilja.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 30 June 2021, 13:15
The Library of Congress lists Scharwenka's Op. 96 symphony in D minor - Shelf No. M1001 .S31.  It also lists the Symphonia Brevis, Op. 115 with the same shelf number, which I assume is either a mistake or indicates the two are bound together. Worth an enquiry.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Ilja on Wednesday 30 June 2021, 14:23
... and of course, I found one more locally (in Heidelberg (https://kvk.bibliothek.kit.edu/view-title/index.php?katalog=K10PLUS&url=https%3A%2F%2Fopac.k10plus.de%2FDB%3D2.299%2FCHARSET%3DUTF-8%2FIMPLAND%3DY%2FLNG%3DDU%2FSRT%3DYOP%2FTTL%3D1%2FSET%3D1%2FPPNSET%3FPPN%3D1550628860%26PRS%3DHOL&signature=rUNVBhsjyGfVkg5TRZROJWE0WK9yQtEkyPNLKgbHoK4&showCoverImg=1)) only an hour after I'd posted my question.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 30 June 2021, 15:16
Ah. That's a bit nearer home. I see they are also both in the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin.
I would love to hear all three of his symphonies. Do you know if a full score of "Herbstfeier" is extant? I can find only the vocal score.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Reverie on Wednesday 30 June 2021, 17:51
Interesting discussion this ..

I'm currently transcribing Traum und Wirklichkeit. Although it's known as a tone poem it is actually a four movement symphony of sorts.

Allegro moderato - allegretto scherzando - andante tranquillo - vivo allegro

I'm only at the start of the slow movement and I'm on 16 mins already.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 30 June 2021, 18:08
Drools...
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 30 June 2021, 19:38
Oh, the anticipation....
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Ilja on Thursday 01 July 2021, 20:37
I'm definitely staying up for that! To be honest, I generally prefer Philipp's work to Xaver's - less boisterous perhaps, more contemplative and atmospheric. Quite close in style to Moszkowski in fact - whom he knew, drawing cartoons for Moszkowski's brother Alexander, particularly his satirical series Anton Notenquetscher.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 01 July 2021, 21:51
I was hoping, Ilja, that you might have an idea as to the whereabouts of the full score of "Herbstfeier".
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Ilja on Friday 02 July 2021, 08:50
Göttingen (K10Plus) and the British Library both have a piano reduction; I haven't come across the full score yet.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 02 July 2021, 09:21
Thank you, Ilja. Yes, a number of libraries have the vocal score, but it is beginning to look as if the full orchestral score is list, which would be a great pity.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 02 July 2021, 10:13
Quoteit is beginning to look as if the full orchestral score is list

Think you, Officer Cribtree! And good moaning!
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 02 July 2021, 10:43
Ha, ha! Lost, of course. Typing on a smartphone on a moving bus... or possibly a bis.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Ilja on Friday 02 July 2021, 13:40
The piano + voice score of Herbstfeier is available in digital form (https://www.scharwenka-stiftung.de/philipp_notendrucke.php?aktiv_sub=409&&aktiv=40) at the Scharwenka Society web site, by the way.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 02 July 2021, 17:17
Thank you very much, Ilja. I have downloaded the 2 parts and will read through the score - at least that will give me an idea of what it is like.
Title: Re: Philipp Scharwenka symphonies
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 04 July 2021, 00:44
... edit: correction, I see Op.44 on the same page. How interesting. My bad. (Op.59 is Herbst_bilder_. Obviously my concentration level is quite low.)