needed an excuse for this list but it's a general enough topic.
Ok, inspired by recent discussion, American (broadly-defined) 19th-early 20th century (not recent Romantic-style, though, even though there's plenty of that and some of it rather good... just trying to keep this briefer...) piano concertos, string concertos, etc. without recent recordings with scores, reductions or parts (hopefully full scores or parts avail. somewhere...) at IMSLP...
*Boyle
*maybe Yon's Concerto Gregoriano (organ and orchestra, pub.1920; Italian composer, emigrated to US, 1886-1943)
*Arthur Foote's recently reconstructed cello concerto (outer movements, that is- the slow movement, arranged, was published at the time)?
*Henry Schoenefeld's violin concerto in D minor op.59 pub.1915? (here (http://imslp.org/wiki/Violin_Concerto,_Op.59_(Schoenefeld,_Henry)) in violin/piano score.)
Well, Tobias can certainly fill you in on the violin concertos after 1900. I have a few American VCs but not sure when they were composed (ie, before or after his huge database). I can give you some works for cello and orchestra and will try to get at that tomorrow. Maybe a couple of others. All in my US Want List......
Jerry
I'm very curious to hear the two violin concertos (or any other music) by the violinist Albert Spalding. Also the cello and orchestra version of Charles Wakefield Cadman's A Mad Empress Remembers.
also, apparently according to Dwight's Journal of Music (May 25 1867) there was a Goldbeck Piano Concerto in D - I think he means Robert Goldbeck (1839-1908), German-born (b. Potsdam) but lived mostly in America (from 1857 except for a return to Germany in 1886-1891 and also London in 1899-1903 (source: Baker's, 1919, page 321); died in St. Louis) and directed the Chicago Conservatory from 1871. (Have looked at a few of Goldbeck's piano and choral works at LoC and I'm curious about the concerto...) I see from Giles Enders' list (http://piano-concertos.org), from the program of the 1885 season, etc. that Goldbeck wrote two- from the list, in G minor and C major (described, this last, as in the manner of Hummel by the New York Times in its 1885 review. Well, retro, but there are worse styles, if the quality of the work is good; and the review noted that the performance was not good enough from pianist or orchestra, if I understand the author, to judge the work properly from anycase). Perhaps that should be 3, since Dwight's Journal describes Goldbeck's concerto as "D major"- none of them seems to have been published in any case?... hrm.
Also from Mr. Enders' list is Frederic Grant Gleason's concerto in G minor. The latter's opera Otho Visconti I have seen excerpts from (again at LoC) and they seem interesting; the piano concerto might be likewise I would hope. I see Horace Nicholl listed, and Arne Oldberg, Miles/Milo Benedict (1886-1931) (Julius' son), and Florence Price;
Henry Schoenefeld seems to have also written a piano concerto, according to the same list.. :)
(Ah, yes, as noted - One of the concertos in the 'information wanted' section of the site is a concerto I wishlisted at IMSLP, I think- Milo Ellsworth Benedict's (also American...) piano concerto in E minor, op.4, given and perhaps premiered ca.1884 or so by the Boston Symphony (though according to the Musical Yearbook of the United States, possibly only in 2-piano form :) )
Blair Fairchild, a French-oriented American (Widor pupil and Paris expat for much of his career), has three works for violin and orchestra.
Fairchild -- and some interesting-looking-to-me other works too (Concerto da Camera, string quartet, etc. (though a violinist I asked about it was less impressed by the quartet, if I recall.))
Fairchild, who came from a prominent Boston family, was a career diplomat. From his background, expatriation, and name I've always imagined his music to sound like what a Henry James character might write.
As threatened, here are some American works for cello and orchestra:
George Boyle (again) - Cello Concerto
George Chadwick (1854-1931) Fantasy on a Plain Chant for cello and orchestra
Charles Griffes - Cello Concerto; also Concertpiece for cello and orchestra
Ernest Hutcheson - Cello Concerto
Charles Martin Loeffler - Cello Concerto
Bertrom Shapleigh (1876-1939) - Poem for Cello and orchestra
Pretty few and far between. I would think the Loeffler might be particularly interesting.
Jerry
Violin concertos by two more overlooked Americans, Vittorio Giannini and Bernard Wagenaar.
If I remember correctly, the Loeffler Cello concerto is lost. I was looking a while ago, though, so this may have changed. Not in L of C, though, with the other L mss.
Frederick Stock: Violin concerto
Henry Hadley: Concertpiece for Cello and Orch, Suite Ancienne, vc and string orch
Alfred Pease: Piano Concerto Lost? Pease drank himself to death at an early age, I've never found a trace of this piece, which Theodore Thomas conducted, IIRC.
I think there's also a Cello Konzertstuck by Howard Brockway. I was unable to locate the orchestral ms, although I have the published vc and pf score.
David
also, Frederic Louis Ritter (another immigrant to the US, late 19th C) left several manuscript concertos that are I think at Vassar in the collection he left there. Based on his organ Fantasy and Fugue and some other works that were published, I'm curious... (there are several cases of composers represented at IMSLP- or not!- whose published works contain only a bit of this or that, but a promising this or that :) - but where one sees that there is a manuscript collection at a university ,with one of those "Finding Aid" pages that has a useful worklist and whatnot... suggesting there might be more still...) I think some of these works (Stock's (Friedrich August Stock :) ) violin concerto I think? Not sure- something big of his has, I seem to recall noticing??... there's a string quartet, a symphony, and a cello concerto too though the latter could be lost?- and quite a few other things...- the quartet and symphony are uploaded to IMSLP in score or parts) - are recorded (but still to -my- mind within the spirit of this thread ;) )
Brockway's piano works, chamber works and songs (iirc?) look good in score. The piano concerto, I see, might be lost. I hope some of his "larger works" survive.
The parts to Shepherd's fantaisie for piano and orchestra are with his papers at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City (they have a finding aid page with an inventory like the kind I mentioned above- very interesting... several symphonies also...)
The score and parts of Stock's Violin Concerto were published by Universal Edition in Vienna and are in Fleisher, together with those of his 1st symphony in C minor (B. & H), and a couple of other orchestral works, but no cello concerto (alas!).
Fleisher has plenty of Hadley's orchestral music, including his Concertino for piano & strings, but no concertante works for cello. The Suite Ancienne is there, but in a purely orchestral arrangement.
The Hadley mss are in the Lincoln Center library, NYPL.
David
I'm surprised that the Ole Bull concertos have been so thoroughly neglected...
John Alden Carpenter's Violin Concerto. I have a piano reduction score and have been intrigued by it for many years. A couple of years ago, Leon Botstein conducted a performance with full orchestra it at his summer music festival at Bard College, but I was unable to attend. Sadly, I haven't found anyone with a recording of the concert -- but perhaps one of these days he'll record it, among the various other rarities he's released...
Latvian--I downloaded the Carpenter vc just yesterday from itunes which has all of Botstein's recordings (including finally, grail of grails (for me anyway), Shcherbachev's Symphony no. 2.
Hey X, thanks for the tip on itunes. Did the Carpenter as well as a Braunfels and Brull. Their pricing is screwy, tho, as most overtures alone are 99 cents but several are priced as 9.99....!! Betcha they're not moving too fast at that price...
Jerry
Screwy as hell. The hour+ Shcherbachev was only $3.99. It's worth checking then Botstein itunes listingings every few weeks; new things do show up at odd intervals. I'm hoping the Suter violin concerto is on the way. I heard it at the same concert with the Marx Autumn Symphony (oh, for the Nordland Rhapsody).
QuoteI downloaded the Carpenter vc just yesterday from itunes
Fantastic news! Thank you!
Also, George Boyle (again)- not the piano concerto this time but his cello concerto (whose score and parts are at the Free Library of Philadelphia).
The American composer Frederick Converse wrote a number of concerted works. For violin, the Concerto, op. 13 (1902); for clarinet, the Rhapsody, op. 105 (1938); for piano, Night and Day, op. 11 (1901), Fantasy (1922), and Concertino (1932). The Rhapsody, a late work written after a stroke, is to my knowledge the only one commercially recorded.
Can't find the thread I was referring to in a post I just made, but maybe this one is close. Anyhow, 1.5-2 odd years ago, I might have mentioned that many of Emanuel Moór's quite-a-few concertos haven't even been informally recorded, it seems (his 2-cello concerto has, on a circulating more or less private (exists at at least one library...) tape series "Forgotten Romantics" conducted by Gordon Wright (poss. Gordon B. Wright (1934-2007)) of some concerts that also includes early symphonies by Reznicek - recorded before the cpo series - and a number of other mostly underknown works. A piano reduction of its intermezzo, published separately, has been uploaded to Sibley Library; it, and the full or reduced scores of some of his other concertos (no.1 in E major for cello, no.4 for violin, one of his piano concertos, a rhapsody for violin & orch.) have been uploaded to IMSLP also (often published by Mathot, Paris. I anyway like the look of his music but haven't yet heard much- some, though.)
I recommend the Piano Concerto by Otis Boise. An American student put together a Full Score of this work from a damaged MS and some MS orchestral parts as a Doctoral Thesis, and I have a copy of this.
Are Hyperion aware of Boise's concerto, Gareth? Maybe a suitable companion would by the Piano Concerto of Caryl Florio (1843-1920 - a pseudonym of William James Robjohn).
The Boise is a good old fashioned romp in a Moskowskian vein. The Lord Hyperion has the score as it is on his list.
The Conrath would be a suitable American partner, but I do not know if the score exists for that. I have only the 2 piano in my files.
Thal
The records of performance say "a manuscript concerto for piano and orchestra by Louis Conrath". Who holds his papers- anyone...? That'd be a good place to start, as with some others... (yes, even though 1894>1879.)
just a side note: I have the feeling that this forum (and maybe others as well) are crowded by people who go nuts on piano concertos, but where are the other violin concerto loonies? I notice some kind of disparity between piano and violin concerto schmucks... or am I wrong?
Tobias
You do seem to have a valid point old chap.
The VC loonies must be somewhere.
Thal
I do agree with Tobias' assessment, but think that the phenomenon mirrors the preference of music lovers generally. I've always assumed that it's something to do with a piano concerto being a more accessible genre, something about a violin being "of the orchestra", whereas a piano is "opposed to the orchestra". Also solo piano music is almost a musical lingua franca, whereas solo violin music is far from being a popular listen.
...although I am the VC nut to end all VC nuts (and violin sonata nuts!). What I want to see recorded is a whole string of VCs by composers such as Reinhold Becker, whose VC1 is lauded by Toskey in his encylopedia on the subject. Gernsheim's two would be further examples.
And I would echo Alan's wishes. There are vast numbers of Romantic Violin Concertos out there but Mike Spring told me that violinists were nowhere near as adventurous as pianists and it was not easy to get soloists of a decent calibre interested in playing some of these works. I am as interested in VCs as in PCs, so I would strongly support any record company that is preparted to take the risk and record works by Becker, Gernsheim, Litolff (Eroica Concerto Symphonique), Philip Scharwenka, Bazzini, et al.
Turning back to the PCs mentioned in conjunction with Boise, it would be very interesting to see Conrath's concerto. That by Caryl Florio has actually been recorded before, with some of his saxophone music - see: http://www.totheforepublishers.com/florio1.html (http://www.totheforepublishers.com/florio1.html) - and very attractive it is.
I would say that the recording of the (magnificent) Sinigaglia Violin Concerto once downloaded here was IMO a -say- unofficial recording of an old radio broadcast.
I think the Concerto has never been comercially recorded.
I would deem worth of a recording also the Concerto for Organ,strings, horns and timpani by Marco enrico Bossi.
Sinigaglia/Bazzini - possibly off-air from RAI: see Essercizi di Memoria (http://www.radio3.rai.it/dl/radio3/programmi/puntata/ContentItem-60e45e34-06c9-43b7-8f3f-df51fefbdbf3.html). Sinigaglia concerto broadcast (if it's the one from that program) from November 7 1959, conducted by Ferruccio Scaglia, Alfonso Mosesti, vn. Orch. Sinf. di Roma della Rai. Bazzini concerto from June 6 1961, Aldo Ferraresi, violin, Orch."A. Scarlatti" di Napoli della Rai. Franco Gallini, conducting.
That Sinigaglia has been uploaded to YT. There is also a live performance of the Sinigaglia VC there that is considerably longer. Cuts made in the older performance, perhaps?
There's a score of the Sinigaglia at IMSLP, here (http://imslp.org/wiki/Violin_Concerto,_Op.20_%28Sinigaglia,_Leone%29), from which I am guessing it should be possible to decide if the difference between the two performances is from cuts or major differences in tempi...
(In re Sinigaglia, the first movement of his violin sonata is on YouTube, and in a (2008) performance other than the Toccata Classics performance, too, though not apparently uploaded by one of the two performers (!).)
I note the Bazzini concerto is No. 4 - the only one for which there is a modern edition. Nos. 1 & 2 are in Fleisher. The only locatin I can find for the parts of No. 5, the Concerto Militaire, is Milan. Schott published No. 3 - but have lost the score and parts and they don't seem to exist anywhere else (brilliant!!!).