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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 26 August 2009, 22:06

Title: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 26 August 2009, 22:06
Slated for an October release is Hyperion's new CD of Lodewijk Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony of 1898...

http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67766 (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67766)

Sounds like a rather enjoyable piece of fin-de-siècle Wagner-influenced music.
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Wednesday 26 August 2009, 23:16
Sounds intriguing! Talking about Homer,makes me think
of August Bungert,who seems to have outdone Wagner.
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 27 August 2009, 07:27
Good news about the Mortelmans symphony. A welcome, but somehow odd, choice for Hyperion.

As for Bungert, I would love to hear more of his music. I have radio recordings of the Piano Quartet and of an overture. Because of his reputation for, as Pengelli says, "Ooutdoing Wagner" I was expecting works which were gargantuan not only in scale but also in their chromaticism and, in the case of the overture, musical forces. Not a bit of it, they are both pieces which stem pretty much directly from Schumann/Mendelssohn and could have been written by almost any middle-ranking master of the 1860s-80s: Dietrich, Rheinberger et al. More, indeed any, Bungert would be good.
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Thursday 27 August 2009, 15:00
He was funded by the Queen of Romania & unlike Wagner
drew his inspiration from Greek mythology.
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Thursday 27 August 2009, 15:09
He is VERY intriguing! Just looking at his Wikipedia entry. I know that Havergal Brian wrote about his neglect.
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 02 October 2009, 14:01
Just listened to the symphony. Banal, bombastic, cod-Wagner, over-ambitious - these are the words that come to mind. It's truly third-rate. This time I just wonder what Hyperion are doing when there's so much really good music from this era still to be recorded. By comparison, Berger 2 seems like a cutting-edge masterpiece.

Of course, I thoroughly enjoyed it... ;)
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Syrelius on Friday 02 October 2009, 15:24
Quote from: Alan Howe on Friday 02 October 2009, 14:01
Just listened to the symphony. Banal, bombastic, cod-Wagner, over-ambitious - these are the words that come to mind. It's truly third-rate.

Sorry to hear that. I have a cd with some of his shorter orchestral works that I really like, and was looking forward to hearing the symphony.
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 02 October 2009, 19:37
I was just being honest about the quality of the symphony. It's pretty old hat too, for 1898.

However, as a piece of Wagnerian hokum, it's very enjoyable...
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Friday 02 October 2009, 23:32
Is it as bad as Boehe?
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 03 October 2009, 01:04
Same ball-park, although Mortelmans is nowhere near as advanced as Boehe. I enjoy both while recognising that neither wrote great music.

A telling comparison would be with, say, Draeseke 3. Draeseke had absorbed Wagner/Liszt's innovations and forged an advanced and personal style a decade before Mortelmans. By comparison Mortelmans was just playing mock-heroics using a quasi-Wagnerian idiom. Very old hat indeed.   
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 03 October 2009, 09:59
I have a collection of old hats. I rather like them!
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Saturday 03 October 2009, 11:06
I've got a balaclava! A brown one. I might do a Vogue cover shoot! Back to
Boehe now...........?
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Saturday 03 October 2009, 11:12
Incidentally. Off topic.I've been listening to  F. Schmitt's 'Antoine et Cleopatre'
(Timpani). Wow! Surely this has got to be an unsung masterpiece?
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: mbhaub on Monday 05 October 2009, 16:21
Yesterday my copy of the Mortelmans arrived. I listened to it twice, and thoroughly enjoyed it! Deep, profound music? Not at all. The tunes aren't even that good, the harmonic language appropriate if not adventuresome. So why did I like it? The orchestration. Mortelmans use of the orchestra is astonishing. Color comes and goes with rapid changes -- it's a feast for the ear. I would never expect any of the three works to show up live in any concert, but I am very happy to have heard them. Head and shoulders above Boehe.

And yes, the Florent Schmitt work is marvelous, as is most all of his music I've been able to find. He's another one of those whose absence from concerts amazes me. It's every bit as enjoyable as Debussy, Ravel, Roussel, Chabrier and Dukas. The Tagedy of Salome is terrific, especially in the full orchestra version.
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Wednesday 07 October 2009, 00:17
'Oriane et le Prince d'amour' doesn't appear to have ever been recorded complete.
Does anyone here know anything about this score?
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Phillip Nones on Thursday 02 October 2014, 01:29
The complete ballet music for "Oriane et le Prince d'amour" was recently issued by Forgotten Records, in a 1956 concert broadcast by the ORTF Orchestra and Chorus under the direction of Pierre Dervaux.  (http://forgottenrecords.com)  This 50+ minute work, which also features a tenor soloist, was the final "orientalist" composition of Schmitt's (it was written in 1931).  The recording is well-worth hearing, even if the orchestra is closely miked and there is some extraneous audience noise. 

There was a commercial recording made of a 20-minute all-orchestral suite from the ballet, on the Cybelia label.  But that CD, which is long out-of-print, didn't do the music any great favors. 

As for whether a new commercial recording of either the suite or the complete ballet is in the offing, don't hold your breath.  I spoke with the head of Timpani Records and asked about this score; he informed me that due to the expense of doing it, there are no plans.  I do know that the American conductor JoAnn Falletta has studied the score -- perhaps she or another one of Florent Schmitt's most ardent enthusiasts (Lionel Bringuier, Stephane Deneve, Yan-Pascal Tortelier, Sascha Goetzel, Leon Botstein ...) might give it a whirl someday.
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 02 October 2014, 04:12
There's another "Homerische Sinfonie" out there from the middle of the 20th century that seems like it might be intriguing, Theodor Berger's. Its one broadcast recording received an interesting tangential mention in a review @ Musicweb and is available on YouTube... going to have to have a listen sometime...
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 02 October 2014, 08:02
Don't think it'll fit here...
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 02 October 2014, 12:52
Actually, I gather it's not that much different from Franz Schmidt in overall "&c", but in the time-honored tradition of UC sideswipes (the majority of them negative), just thought I'd raise it once and have done.
Title: Re: Mortelmans' Homeric Symphony
Post by: DennisS on Thursday 02 October 2014, 13:06
I am very interested in obtaining a copy of the CD of Oriane et le prince d'amour. Thank you Phillip Nones for the information that this work is obtainable from Forgotten Records. I have looked at the Forgotten Records website and also ran a check on the website as well. Do you know how reliable this website is Phillip? Are there any other members on UC who have bought from this supplier? I would appreciate your advice.