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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: albion on Saturday 08 October 2011, 21:41

Title: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Saturday 08 October 2011, 21:41
As usual, Dutton have many discs on special offer at the moment, and it is well worth having a look at the current listing -

http://www.duttonvocalion.co.uk/products.asp?cat=368 (http://www.duttonvocalion.co.uk/products.asp?cat=368)

I've just picked up several discs that I'd missed for £2.99 - £4.99, including the Algernon Ashton 2-CD piano sonata set, Erik Chisholm's Ossian Symphony and excerpts from Tovey's The Bride of Dionysus.

;)
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: chill319 on Sunday 09 October 2011, 23:03
Thanks for that!

For those who like Bloch and have not heard the Griller's performance of his Quartet 2, it is a superlative performance, with exceptional sonics for the pre-stereo 1950s.
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Thursday 13 October 2011, 16:52
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51vMP5MmqZL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/618LrhH2sjL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J1ZWdghYL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

These three 'sale' items have arrived and I'm starting to work through them. Tovey's The Bride of Dionysus is a splendid recording which I'm thoroughly enjoying - written between 1907 and 1918 the opera is conservative in idiom, but expertly written for voices and orchestra (as you'd expect) and quite thrilling in its ambitious sweep. Has anybody else got this disc?

???
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Dundonnell on Thursday 13 October 2011, 16:58
No.....but I've got the Chisholm ;D ;D

(You know my Tovey story, I presume, Albion??)
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Thursday 13 October 2011, 17:02
No, pray tell!

;)
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Dundonnell on Thursday 13 October 2011, 17:16
I fear that some others may have heard it but.....

Tovey was Reid Professor of Music and Dean of the Faculty of Music at Edinburgh University. My great-uncle Tom was Professor of Bacteriology and Dean of the Faculty of Medicine. He and Tovey were good friends. My great-uncle fell ill with some serious viral infection and was gravely ill for some time. When he recovered Tovey wrote a piano composition to celebrate the recovery. The piece is intended-apparently-to depict the struggle of a sick men with the infection.

The name and location of the work is unknown to me. Presumably it is in manuscript and would have been presented to my great-uncle (who died in 1955).

I don't know....wouldn't an Oratorio or at least a Symphony have been more appropriate...... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Thursday 13 October 2011, 17:28
A lovely story, Colin - what a pity that you can't now trace the composition which clearly would have meant so much to your great-uncle. As you say, it was presumably given as a present by Tovey and so is unlikely to be found in whatever archives there are.

:(
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: britishcomposer on Thursday 13 October 2011, 19:10
Thanks to Albion I have done a big 'Sales' order myself. Too big for my purse I think but, well, better now than too late. (I missed the Walford Davies Everyman!  :'()
I bought the Chisholm, too, but my main interest was the Fogg and the Hold songs.  ;)

However, I am glad to hear that you like the Tovey opera, Albion!
I listened ONCE to the Piano Trios and Symphony from Toccata and was terribly bored. Yes, I should give them another try but I can't bring myself to do it again. There's so much more stuff...
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Thursday 13 October 2011, 19:16
Quote from: britishcomposer on Thursday 13 October 2011, 19:10(I missed the Walford Davies Everyman!  :'()

Get it anyway - you won't regret it! It was very positively reviewed on Amazon ....

;)

I would love to hear more of Walford Davies - http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,1306.msg15963.html#msg15963 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,1306.msg15963.html#msg15963)

;D
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Friday 14 October 2011, 12:27
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J1ZWdghYL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

On to Algernon Ashton now. Although the composer was prone to eccentric self-aggrandisement a la Holbrooke, there is much to both enjoy and admire - solid craftsmanship and a real sense of musical architecture: listening to this set makes me even more disappointed that none of Ashton's large-scale orchestral works survive.

:'(
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 October 2011, 13:34
My goodness, there's some pretty boring music mentioned here. Walford Davies' Everyman - poorly sung, by the way - is no great shakes and, frankly, I've yet to hear much by Tovey that engenders anything other than a stifled yawn. A case of 'I am glad it's been recorded, but don't ask me to listen to it all again', as far as I'm concerned. And, while appreciating Ashton somewhat more, I'm sorry to say that I have revised down my estimate of his piano music because of the sheer boredom factor. Oh dear... :(
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Dundonnell on Friday 14 October 2011, 14:17
I certainly cannot recall being bowled over by the Walford Davies :(

Does anyone know why exactly he was appointed Master of the King's Music in 1934 in succession to a figure like Elgar :o

I suppose that the obvious question would be..if not Walford Davies then whom? So many possibilities were either too young in 1934 or too unwell or too eccentric ;D

I presume that Vaughan Williams was offered the post but refused?

John Ireland? Herbert Howells?
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 14 October 2011, 15:27
I shudder to think given the politics how the three branches of central Federal government here, or the states, would choose such a position. Though my opinion of Maxwell Davies is mixed (not a euphemism for poor- I mean mixed- but more importantly I respect his aims and works) I have difficulty imagining a composer with his output (even with some popular and popular-aimed works within it as his does) attaining any position [here], even one of such reduced authority and responsibility (but not prestige) since its inception.

Though our Poets Laureate have sometimes been fairly (to extremely!) good.
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Dundonnell on Friday 14 October 2011, 15:33
Quote from: eschiss1 on Friday 14 October 2011, 15:27
I shudder to think given the politics how the three branches of central Federal government here, or the states, would choose such a position. Though my opinion of Maxwell Davies is mixed (not a euphemism for poor- I mean mixed- but more importantly I respect his aims and works) I have difficulty imagining a composer with his output (even with some popular and popular-aimed works within it as his does) attaining any position [here], even one of such reduced authority and responsibility (but not prestige) since its inception.

Though our Poets Laureate have sometimes been fairly (to extremely!) good.

You would probably end up with.........John Corigliano or John Adams :)  Copland would have been the obvious choice, wouldn't he?
Title: Re: Dutton Sale (or getting rid of the boring discs)
Post by: albion on Friday 14 October 2011, 15:34
Quote from: Alan Howe on Friday 14 October 2011, 13:34My goodness, there's some pretty boring music mentioned here. Walford Davies' Everyman - poorly sung, by the way - is no great shakes and, frankly, I've yet to hear much by Tovey that engenders anything other than a stifled yawn. A case of 'I am glad it's been recorded, but don't ask me to listen to it all again', as far as I'm concerned. And, while appreciating Ashton somewhat more, I'm sorry to say that I have revised down my estimate of his piano music because of the sheer boredom factor. Oh dear... :(

Yep! Welcome to the brand new boring music thread.

Bringing you .... Algernon Ashton (crazy name, crazy guy - quite literally) .......

(http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/10/14/17/enhanced-buzz-24677-1287090909-33.jpg)


....... house-wives' choice Henry Walford Davies.....

(http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/10/14/17/enhanced-buzz-24677-1287090792-31.jpg)


........ and not forgetting the scintillating sounds of Donald Francis Tovey .....

(http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/10/14/17/enhanced-buzz-24795-1287091302-37.jpg)

;)

Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 October 2011, 16:37
To be serious for a moment, we must, I think, recognise that not all of this stuff is terribly good. Mind you, I'm glad to have had the chance to find out. Problem is, my shelves are groaning under the weight of CDs I have listened to once only and will probably never listen to again.

Note to self: more discernment needed. It's cheaper!  ;)
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 14 October 2011, 16:45
... erm...Copland? Probably not. Though there's less difficult music in Copland's output than in Maxwell Davies', there would be enough to disqualify him. Inscape, the Piano Variations, the Piano Quartet. Forget about it. And: and: he was a socialist. In those days. Or in these.
Nope. Wouldn't go an inch. Adams? After The Death of Klinghoffer? Probably not, likewise...
Mind, my opinion of today's US political climate is not positive (I'm allowed, I suppose, I live in it.) Anyhow. Sorry. Carry on.
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Friday 14 October 2011, 16:48
Quote from: Alan Howe on Friday 14 October 2011, 16:37my shelves are groaning under the weight of CDs I have listened to once only and will probably never listen to again.

Ditto and also apply same to magazines, books, DVDs, shirts, general detritus of consumerist life ...

... now, when is that package from Dutton due?

::)
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 October 2011, 17:44
The Sands of Time are running out for floorboards everywhere... ;)
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Friday 14 October 2011, 17:51
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8tRUd669B4I/SvZWckQXBTI/AAAAAAAABQU/ANy7IzRSZKs/s320/CD+shelf+03.jpg)    =    (http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1035/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1035-347.jpg)

:o
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Dundonnell on Friday 14 October 2011, 18:03
I would post a photograph of my cd collection....but I don't seem to be allowed to post attachments :(
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: erato on Friday 14 October 2011, 20:13
Quote from: Dundonnell on Friday 14 October 2011, 18:03
I would post a photograph of my cd collection....but I don't seem to be allowed to post attachments :(
Wait, wait, wait; need to buy a bigger screen!
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Dundonnell on Friday 14 October 2011, 20:28
Quote from: Dundonnell on Friday 14 October 2011, 18:03
I would post a photograph of my cd collection....but I don't seem to be allowed to post attachments :(

So exactly how do members manage to put up photographs here?

I know that I am remarkably stupid in this sort of area ;D
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: erato on Friday 14 October 2011, 20:34
You have to publish the picture somewhere. Get yourself an account at photobucket.com (eg), free, and upload the picture from your computer to your photobucket account. Once that's done the picture will be on the net and have an URL-adress displayed on photobucket.

Clich the image icon in the posting page, and insert the image adress.
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: TerraEpon on Friday 14 October 2011, 20:49
Quote from: Alan Howe on Friday 14 October 2011, 16:37
Problem is, my shelves are groaning under the weight of CDs I have listened to once only and will probably never listen to again.

I listen to everything three times before I put them onto the shelf in the 'proper' place, then I use random.org to choose what to listen to. Makes trying to decide and potentially getting use out of everything a LOT easier.
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 14 October 2011, 22:08
That is so organised!
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Dundonnell on Friday 14 October 2011, 22:19
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4188/67/72/621493703/n621493703_1660281_3221353.jpg)(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4188/67/72/621493703/n621493703_1660282_5789155.jpg)

(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4188/67/72/621493703/n621493703_1657283_7613814.jpg)

Photos taken two years ago.......collection is now onto another wall of my sitting room too ;D ;D
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Friday 14 October 2011, 22:24
Welcome to UC's answer to Through the Keyhole ...


I say, old chap, you've got a rather nicely-turned barley-twist leg!

:o
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Dundonnell on Friday 14 October 2011, 22:25
Sorry for extreme size!!

I have never done this before and am just learning how to go about it ;D
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Friday 14 October 2011, 22:31
It's really quite a dainty leg, to my practised eye.

;)
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 15 October 2011, 08:06
We'll have no discussion of legs, especially dainty ones, here please!
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Saturday 15 October 2011, 08:37
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Saturday 15 October 2011, 08:06We'll have no discussion of legs, especially dainty ones, here please!

Sorry, I am trying to give them up, honest.

(http://208.69.121.74/~immortal/uploads/images/corinthian-piano-leg(1).jpg)  (http://www.besbrodepianos.com/photo148/marschall-short-grand-gebruder-knake-piano-L.jpg)  (http://www.besbrodepianos.co.uk/photo146/steinway-concert-grand-piano-L.jpg)  (http://www.directcon.net/astokes/pianos/gr2.jpg)

Oops!



(http://cache2.artprintimages.com/p/LRG/8/857/WXQY000Z/art-print/ben-christopher-piano-legs.jpg)

Double oops!

:o
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 15 October 2011, 09:29
Quick! Wrap them in bloomers!
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: albion on Saturday 15 October 2011, 09:55
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 15 October 2011, 09:29Quick! Wrap them in bloomers!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Smith-College-Class-1902-basketball-team.jpg/800px-Smith-College-Class-1902-basketball-team.jpg)  or

(http://www.ighthamfarmshop.co.uk/store/images/uploads/Dairy,%20Eggs%20&%20Bread/small-white-bloomer.jpg) ?

???
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 15 October 2011, 10:54
Ah, that's much better. And reminds me I must buy some bread.
Title: Re: Dutton Sale
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 15 October 2011, 13:52
And I thought it was me getting crusty, now I've turned 60!