Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: monafam on Monday 21 September 2009, 19:00

Title: Unsung Mass or Other Religious Works?
Post by: monafam on Monday 21 September 2009, 19:00
I'm just curious if there are any good Mass/religious setting pieces that are unsung?  Edit: I just noticed that it sounds a little like I'm looking for instrumental only pieces!  LOL 

Thanks as always in advance!
Title: Re: Unsung Mass or Other Religious Works?
Post by: Steve B on Monday 21 September 2009, 20:34
monofam, try Puccini's mesmerising and very tuneful and very camp and very beautiful Messa di Gloria; sung composer, unsung piece!

Steve
Title: Re: Unsung Mass or Other Religious Works?
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 21 September 2009, 22:16
Kiel's Missa Solemnis and Hamerik's Requiem come to mind.
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Post by: John H White on Monday 21 September 2009, 22:29
Might I suggest Cherubini's Requiem in C minor, much admired by his pupil Berlioz and available on a naxos CD? Going back a bit, Michael Haydn wrote some good church music including various mass settings.
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 21 September 2009, 22:33
Stanford's Requiem. Stunning.
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Post by: peter_conole on Tuesday 22 September 2009, 00:28
Hi

I will chime in with a loud cheer for Kiel's lovely Mass. Thanks for mentioning that one!

Other prime 'unsung favourites for me are Soderman's Catholic Mass ( on Sterling label - sincerity high drama, big orchestral effects) and Pembauer's Festival Mass. All three of theses works reveal fine melodic gifts on the part of tthe composers.

regards
Peter 
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Post by: Pengelli on Tuesday 22 September 2009, 00:43
I like Pizzetti's 'Messa di Requiem'. No orchestra,just voices. The Hyperion cd got the most praise,but the all Pizzetti Chandos cd sounds fine to me.Beautiful!
Title: Re: Unsung Mass or Other Religious Works?
Post by: monafam on Tuesday 22 September 2009, 04:17
Thanks for all the suggestions up to this point!  I'm looking forward to checking these out.
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Post by: Syrelius on Tuesday 22 September 2009, 06:11
Theodore Gouvy's Requiem is a fine work, too. I would also like to second the recommedation of Söderman's Mass.
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Post by: Peter1953 on Tuesday 22 September 2009, 06:58
The Flemish Peter Benoit (1843-1901) composed a marvellous "Hoogmis", which I've mentioned before in another thread. The organ in the Benedictus does it. Unforgettable.
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Post by: Amphissa on Tuesday 22 September 2009, 19:13
 
Not quite on the same scale as a Mass or Requiem, but Taneyev's St. John of Damascus is surely one of the most beautiful choral pieces ever written.
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Post by: Lew on Wednesday 23 September 2009, 14:24
One of my favourite 'unsung' pieces by an otherwise very well 'sung' composer is the C major Te Deum of 1872 by Sir Arthur Sullivan. It combines memorable tunes with appropriately classical counterpoint and gravity and has some 'big' moments too. The orchestration (which includes organ) and the handling of the voices are typical of this master craftsman who, I have come to feel, is the greatest English composer.
 
    Lew Lewis
Title: Re: Unsung Mass or Other Religious Works?
Post by: mbhaub on Thursday 24 September 2009, 00:11
Here are some of my favorite unsung religious works:

1) Mass by Franz von Suppe
2) Mass in D by John Knowles Payne
3) The Masses by Moniuszko -- a new cd from Dux is just beautiful
4) Rossini's Petit Messe -- maybe more familiar, but not many people know it.
5) Franz Schmidt's Das Buch mit sieben Siegeln. One of the glories in the entire music literature, in my humble opinion.
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Post by: Pengelli on Thursday 24 September 2009, 11:07
You like the Franz Schmidt? Phew! I must admit that one stays in the box. And I
say that as an admirer (of Schmidt!).
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Post by: Pengelli on Thursday 24 September 2009, 11:12
For a really fantastic,'undiscovered' choral 'blockbuster', I would go for Charles
Tournemire's stupendous 6th symphony! (Auvidis Valois).
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Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 24 September 2009, 22:22
The Schmidt is worth sitting through just for the stupendous ending - surely one of the most glorious in all music!
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Post by: mbhaub on Friday 25 September 2009, 02:47
Quote from: Pengelli on Thursday 24 September 2009, 11:07
You like the Franz Schmidt? Phew! I must admit that one stays in the box. And I
say that as an admirer (of Schmidt!).

When I first acquired the work on with Mitropolous on LP many years ago, that's how I reacted, too. It just didn't click. The next version I got was the Orfeo cd and certain parts became very special -- but the whole thing eluded me. Then, on a trip to Germany I picked up a cd set from Amadeo. I was stuck in the hotel watching a terrific storm listening to Das Buch and all the sudden it made sense -- all of it. It just fell into place, and it's been a favorite of mine since then. But I can understand not liking it. I can't stand the Mozart Requiem, the Brahms German Requiem or the Beethoven Missa Solemnis. To each his own.
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 25 September 2009, 23:53
Suter's "Le Laudi" - just gorgeous.
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Post by: Pengelli on Sunday 27 September 2009, 10:39
I'm going to have another go at the Schmidt as soon as I can find it! But it IS
rather grim! Brian's 'Gothic' seems like a light hearted romp in comparison.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 27 September 2009, 21:57
I'd like to echo Gareth's enthusiasm for Suter's Le Laudi - it is an absolutely glorious late-Romantic piece.
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Post by: Pengelli on Monday 28 September 2009, 14:17
I think I'll go for the Benoit 'Hoogmis'. Flemish music is so underated & what I've
heard is so good.
Title: Re: Unsung Mass or Other Religious Works?
Post by: Syrelius on Friday 02 October 2009, 15:33
I have just listened to Bomtempos Requiem on a Berlin Classics CD. There is perhaps a lack of drama, but nevertheless, there is a lot of beautiful music in it
Title: Re: Unsung Mass or Other Religious Works?
Post by: monafam on Saturday 03 October 2009, 14:10
Thanks for all the suggestions so far!  I've been able to get the Soderman one to this point (based on some credits I have) and really enjoyed it. 

Is the Schmidt one the piece he wrote in honor of the passing of his daughter?  I heard it's powerful and I'm wondering if I could take it (having kids myself).