Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Paul Barasi on Saturday 30 June 2012, 11:49

Title: Classical Jazzy Unsungs
Post by: Paul Barasi on Saturday 30 June 2012, 11:49
Radio3 just played Beethoven's boogie-woogie piano sonata 32 and it set me thinking. Well, there's Bach's Brandenburg 5, the Delius blue note and loads of Gershwin but that's all I think I know. So I was wondering: what jazzy bits can be found in music composed preferably early within the period 1800-1918 and of course in the unsungs in particular?
Title: Re: Classical Jazzy Unsungs
Post by: MikeW on Saturday 30 June 2012, 12:16
Alkan has plenty of blue notes. One unsung he's now very sung.
Title: Re: Classical Jazzy Unsungs
Post by: TerraEpon on Saturday 30 June 2012, 17:21
Obviously Gershwin doesn't fit. Personally I'd extend the 'latest' date to about 1900 because that's when ragtime came about, or at least 1908 (Debussy's Golliwog's Cakewalk)

But all you really have to do is look toward Gottschalk.
Title: Re: Classical Jazzy Unsungs
Post by: MikeW on Saturday 30 June 2012, 17:30
I would also point towards Cuban composers like Ignacio Cervantes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignacio_Cervantes) (1847-1905), who studied under both Gottschalk and Alkan, or his contemporary José White
Title: Re: Classical Jazzy Unsungs
Post by: JimL on Saturday 30 June 2012, 21:32
I don't know about you, but I definitely detect some proto-jazz in Moscheles piano concertos, specifically in the closing sections of his first movement expositions and codas.
Title: Re: Classical Jazzy Unsungs
Post by: chill319 on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 00:23
For the pianists in the crowd: Nikolai Kapustin. Lots of fun to play.
Title: Re: Classical Jazzy Unsungs
Post by: TerraEpon on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 06:39
Quote from: chill319 on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 00:23
For the pianists in the crowd: Nikolai Kapustin. Lots of fun to play.

Born in 1937. Not quite the OP was looking for.
Title: Re: Classical Jazzy Unsungs
Post by: febnyc on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 20:38
Quote from: TerraEpon on Saturday 30 June 2012, 17:21
Obviously Gershwin doesn't fit.

Why not?  'Cause Gershwin is not "unsung?"

(PS - The BIS label has a new release of Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue and his Piano Concerto in F [obviously a candidate for this thread].  Who the heck would buy this disc?  I mean there must be dozens of recordings of these two works - what does the world need with another one?  But, I guess this aside answers my own question - Gershwin is very much a "sung" composer.   :P)
Title: Re: Classical Jazzy Unsungs
Post by: MikeW on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 21:02
Quote from: febnyc on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 20:38
Why not?  'Cause Gershwin is not "unsung?"

Because the OP said "the period 1800-1918".

After that time the musical world, sung and unsung, is drenched in jazziness.
Title: Re: Classical Jazzy Unsungs
Post by: markniew on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 21:19
I know this music was composed later than the suggested 1981 but they are really jazzy - Three Preludes in the form of Blues of 1937 by Aleksander Tansman (1897-1986) can be found in the Downloads/Polish music.