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Title: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: allison on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 15:58
http://sites.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/em/concert-soir/emission.php?e_id=80000056 (http://sites.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/em/concert-soir/emission.php?e_id=80000056)

Available until Aug 1 on demand

Portrait de Marie Jaëll

Premier concert :

Gabriel Fauré, Ballade pour piano et orchestre en fa dièse Maj.
Jean-Claude Pennetier : piano

Marie Jaëll, Concerto n°1 en ré mineur pour piano et orchestre
Romain Descharmes : piano

Orchestre National de Lille
Joseph Swensen, direction

Second concert :

Francis Poulenc, Aubade, concerto chorégraphique pour piano et 18 instruments
Emmanuel Strosser : piano

Marie Jaëll, Concerto n°2 en ut mineur pour piano et orchestre
David Violi : piano

Orchestre National de Lille
Joseph Swensen, direction

> Concerts enregistrés en la Grande Salle de l'Opéra de Lille le 9 juin 2012
détail de l'émission
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: mjkFendrich on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 20:04
after searching at the site of France Musique a little bit I found the following link for listening to those 2 concerts directly

http://sites.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/_c/php/emission/popupMP3.php?e=80000056&d=515001196 (http://sites.radiofrance.fr/francemusique/_c/php/emission/popupMP3.php?e=80000056&d=515001196)
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: thalbergmad on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 21:56
Stunning, lyrical and powerful fully blown romantic works.

Immensely impressed.

Thal
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: JimL on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 22:08
How do I record these into my system?  Or can I?  I've never dubbed over the internet before.  Can I use my Tubesucker?
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: allison on Wednesday 04 July 2012, 01:27
I will post them for approval, for you Jim. I use TotalRecorder to record off the internet and like it fine. Allison
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: JimL on Wednesday 04 July 2012, 03:15
Most excellent!  Is there any ancillary information to be had on these works (e.g. movement titles)?
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 04 July 2012, 05:11
hrm. scratch that, as I see her works after 1866 were published as "Jaell-Trautmann"- that is, she was Marie Jaell who married Trautmann, not the other way around... my mistake. Still, will try to find out about publication and movement titles if I can, now that a 6-month project is done and I'm taking a very brief break from one that may become one. (Odd though, since a book "Marie Jaëll and her century" talks about Alfred Jaëll meeting Marie Trautmann... will have a look at the book since it may have inter alia the answer to your question, btw.)
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 04 July 2012, 05:21
Hrm. Ok, most sources seem to agree her "maiden name" was Trautmann. As to her C minor concerto (no.2 - maybe no.1 is in manuscript?...) a 2-piano reduction published by O'Kelly, Paris is at the library of the University of Chicago. Anyone in southern Illinois? (Or who just wants to email a librarian :) )

Several of her MS works (including a 1875 string quartet, and others) have been edited and published recently (the quartet published in 2010.)
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: thalbergmad on Wednesday 04 July 2012, 08:25
I have the 2 piano version of the 2nd Concerto. The movements are Allegro, Andante & Vivace.

Manuscripts for both concerti are held in the BNU Strasbourg, but the listing does not give the movements.

Thal
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 04 July 2012, 10:44
Would some kind person be able to add these concerto recordings to the Downloads section, please?

Also, members may find this site of interest: http://www.expo-mariejaell.net/ (http://www.expo-mariejaell.net/)
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: Lionel Harrsion on Thursday 05 July 2012, 17:03
Quote from: thalbergmad on Tuesday 03 July 2012, 21:56
Stunning, lyrical and powerful fully blown romantic works.
Immensely impressed.
Agreed.  I find it interesting that she hailed from the Bas-Rhin; although it might be thought a somewhat glib comment, I hear both German and French influences -- a blend of Brahms and Saint-Saëns -- which I find pretty convincing.  More than a dash of Liszt, too, in the 2nd concerto.
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 05 July 2012, 22:06
I'll check again, but I think her husband was good friends with Liszt and from the biography of Marie Jaëll that I skimmed yesterday I believe this was the case with her also (and later she with Saint-Saëns also.) So maybe not too surprising there...
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: JimL on Friday 06 July 2012, 00:41
I just gave the 2nd Concerto a couple of listens.  As far as I can tell the 2nd movement is extremely short (only about 2 1/4 minutes).  The work seems to be cyclic in the Lisztian manner, with the opening pizzicato gesture in the basses being transformed throughout, the secondary material from the first movement also undergoes the same treatment.  Quite impressive indeed.
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 06 July 2012, 18:02
These two concertos were on Mike Spring's radar for inclusion in Hyperion's RPC series, but do we know whether these performances herald a recording by another record company?
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: JimL on Friday 06 July 2012, 18:16
Did not von Bülow refer to her husband as "good, fat Jaëll"?  Guess he had a bit of a weight problem.  Maybe Marie was quite the good cook as well.
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 28 July 2012, 09:18
I'm coming late to the party, I know but, having only just downloaded and listened to them, I have to say how enjoyable and well put together these two works are. They're not just full of the pianistic fireworks that one might expect from a 19th century virtuoso but there is a real dialogue between the soloist and orchestra, the orchestration is solidly appropriate and the whole experience is musically satisfying. What a judgement on the way that music has gone that these works have gathered dust for so long.
Title: Re: Marie Jaell Piano Concertos 1 and 2 on France Musique
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 28 July 2012, 13:01
There's a downloadable catalogue (in French) of Marie Jaëll's music available here (http://ml.ingelaere.pagesperso-orange.fr/mjaell-alsace/pdf/catalogue.pdf). Having listened to both concertos a couple of times now, my admiration only increases. Playing the "sounds like" game (which I know I shouldn't do), the First Concerto in particular reminds me very much indeed of Rubinstein: both the phrasing of her melodies, in the solo part in particular, and also the powerfully spare and almost Beethovenian writing for orchestra - particularly the treatment of the strings.