Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: violinconcerto on Sunday 07 February 2010, 13:12

Title: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Sunday 07 February 2010, 13:12
Hello fellow readers,

I am running a website dedicated exclusively to the works for solo violin and orchestra composed between 1894 and 2006 - you can find it at www.violinconcerto.de (http://www.violinconcerto.de). One part lists the recorded works in my archive and now I added another part with "unrecorded works", i.e. missing recordings. Finally both parts together should present the whole oeuvre for the time between 1894 and 2006. I already added around 1000 works to this "unrecorded list" but I would like to ask kindly for a favour: If you have the time please stop by at my website and check if I list the works for violin and orchestra you know of. If works are missing please drop me a line! Do the same if you find mistakes, additonal information or if you know a recording of any of the "unrecorded works" of course!

I especially ask here in this forum because the time between 1894 and around 1940 is more difficult to research than the time thereafter. And I think many here in this forum know that specific time much better than me! Proove me right!  ;)

I would be grateful for your help and looking forward to all of your answers!

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Sunday 07 February 2010, 14:25
I missed one important aspect of my inquiry which I have to add here:

The goal of my site is *not* to list every possible recording of the works! My goal is on the one hand to list all works I know of and on the other hand to find at least one recording of it! So please don't look for missing recordings of for example the Sibelius concerto, because the 12 or so recordings I own of it are more than enough (and there are surely more than 100 recordings of it missing)! So please just look through the lists if you know works for violin and orchestra which are totally missing! Any composer of a violin concerto is completely missing? Or a specific work by a composer is not mentioned neither in the "recorded" nor in the "unrecorded" area?

Thanks and best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: edurban on Sunday 07 February 2010, 15:49
Hi Tobias, I'll go over and have a look.  But why does your list start in 1894?

Best, David
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Sunday 07 February 2010, 16:19
QuoteBut why does your list start in 1894?

Because I wanted to focus on 20th century (I personally prefer the music there a lot over the other periods of time - but its only personal taste!), and in 2006 I realised that I have to make some restrictions otherwise I would run after the new works a lifetime and cannot focus on the time before. So I put everything in that was composed before 2006 and - to make it symmetrical - after 1894. Its that easy and that arbitrary.

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: chill319 on Sunday 07 February 2010, 17:04
That's an impressive resource, Tobias!

I note that you include unfinished works, such as the late Janacek concerto. Do you mean to include works known to have existed but whose source/s either have been destroyed or are currently of unknown provenance?

On a side note, I would urge you to consider merging the two alphabetical composer lists and adding a column to the result denoting the existence of one or more recordings. For myself that would make your site more user friendly. And you might save yourself a substantial amount of time since new recordings become available regularly.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Sunday 07 February 2010, 18:26
Dear chill319,

yes, I am including and will include every work for solo violin and orchestra that I come across! That also mean works that are withdrawn or destroyed. Just everything.

Thanks also for the hint about the website! I can understand your wish of putting the two lists into one. But on theother hand you can now browse through a list and be sure that everything listed there is unrecorded. For some search reasons this is good too. But I will have that in mind!

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Ilja on Monday 08 February 2010, 13:40
Hi, I see you have Henk Badings' 1st Concerto from 1928 listed. I know of at least one recording of that work. Can't remember the soloist and ensemble, but it was from the 1950s and conducted by Jan Koetsier. Next time I'm in the Dutch Radio Archives I'll check.

A small misspelling I noticed: Marius 'Floithuis' is actually 'Flothuis'. Also, you don't mention the Hyperion Hagai Shaham / BBC Scottish SO - Martyn Brabbins combination in the Hubay concertos 3 & 4.

An impressive effort as far as I can see. However, it would be useful if we could download a list of works in, for instance, an Excel or Access format. I would make checking a lot faster.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Monday 08 February 2010, 16:08
Hi Ilja,

QuoteHi, I see you have Henk Badings' 1st Concerto from 1928 listed. I know of at least one recording of that work. Can't remember the soloist and ensemble, but it was from the 1950s and conducted by Jan Koetsier. Next time I'm in the Dutch Radio Archives I'll check.

I would be pleased if you can do that. I you are able to get a recording, I would be interested of course!


QuoteA small misspelling I noticed: Marius 'Floithuis' is actually 'Flothuis'.

Thanks and already corrected!


QuoteAlso, you don't mention the Hyperion Hagai Shaham / BBC Scottish SO - Martyn Brabbins combination in the Hubay concertos 3 & 4

As I mentioned above the goal of the website is not to mention every possible recording of the work, but every work for solo violin and orchestra written between 1894 and 2006. And a personal side-goal is of course to find at least one recording of it.


QuoteAn impressive effort as far as I can see. However, it would be useful if we could download a list of works in, for instance, an Excel or Access format. I would make checking a lot faster.

I have at home the whole data in an Excel list of course, but did not know that this could be included in a website. So the website was designed the way it is. I know it has some disadvantages. But if you need some special information, which can be found out easily with the Excel list, just let me know and I will check for you!


Thanks for the comments and I have my fingers crossed for the Badings 1!

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: chill319 on Tuesday 09 February 2010, 18:45
In your entry for Robert McBride, you could add a closing 2007 to his dates.
Speaking of whom... if you like Korngold's VC, you'll probably enjoy McBride's (written, I believe, just before Korngold's).  The slow movement is a marvel. The brief outer movements contrast with the kind of energetic American music (Gershwin's Second Rhapsody, for example) heard under 1930s film titles while second unit shots of a big city set the story's place.
And speaking of Gershwin's Second Rhapsody, I believe that was the work for which the publisher had McBride redo the orchestration.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Wednesday 10 February 2010, 09:48
Hello Tobias,
Your list of Violin Concertos & other works is the most comprehensive I have seen. A fantastic effort !
I have two very good lists for Piano works : "Music for Piano & Orchestra-Maurice Hindson, (IUP)", and "Piano Music One Hand - Theodore Edel, (IUP)", so I am hoping that some time in the future, you might produce a similar work of Violin repertoire ?, but failing that, the list will suffice.
There is an excellent resource for Australian composers on the Australian Music Centre web-site,which lists the details of over 500 Australian composers. The title "Australian" is a loose term (we usually claim them as Australian if they have spent considerable time here.):
For instance, Eugene Goossens (English) is listed, but Edgar Bainton (English) is not. George Dreyfus, (b.Germany) is listed but Fritz Hart, (English) is not. But having said that, it remains a valuable resource tool, and there are many Violin works listed. (Too many for me to list)
I note on your list of recorded works, a Violin Concerto(1960) by Margaret Sutherland,but there is an earlier concerto listed 1956 in my book. Perhaps the 1960 work is a revision of the 1956 work ? I will have to investigate.
Sutherland's Fantasy for Violin & Orchestra (1960) is not on your lists. Neither is the Violin Concerto by James Penberthy. (1964). The Felix Werder Violin Concerto op72 (1966) is on your list, but not the Violin concerto no1 op19 (1956). Raymond Hanson's Legende for Violin & Piano is not on the lists, neither is Hellgart Mahler's (b1931),Solo Violin work Scherzo Quatro (1989). Alison Bauld's (b1944) Piece for Solo Violin (1971) is missing.That is a sample.
The AMC site will keep you busy. If you have any trouble accessing the site, please don't hesitate to conact me. I will help in any way I can.
Finally, I  have 18 CDs of music by New Zealand composers, including 14 Symphonies, but would you believe, not one violin concerto. ? There would obviously be some, probably under fancy titles,and I have not checked your list for them. However a New Zealander recently wrote a Concerto for Contrabassoon, so there is hope !
Cheers!
Marcus.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-.. Australian Music Centre
Post by: Marcus on Wednesday 10 February 2010, 10:32
Apologies,
In my previous post, I forgot to give the web-site details :
www.australianmusiccentre.com.au  (note English spelling of centre)
When the home page comes up click on "represented artists"
Marcus.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Wednesday 10 February 2010, 11:58
Hello Marcus,

thank you very much for your detailed answer!
Of course I already know the Australian Music Information Centre and its website and it has been a good source in the past, but I never compiled a list of ALL works mentioned there. But that is the work I am doing right now and at some time in the future I will go there, search their database and add all the missing information (and you mentioned a few so there is work to be done!) What I have listed so far, was a list I made sporadically over the years but not with the same elaborateness that I displayed for the recorded works.

But the main problem is - and that was the reason for my posting here - that these databases mostly cover composers and works from the time 1950-2000. A few major works are listed from the time before but a lot of "unsung" composers from that time are missing. Of course I am not sure, but when I compare the amount of violin works I know from the second part of the century, then the first part only contains a "handful" of works. So there most be more and the Music Information Center around the world don't list such works in the totality I am looking for.

So if you know databases, books or just names of composers that could fill the gaps in the period of 1894 to say 1940/50 I would be pleased if you let me know!
An example: cpo just lately released a recording of the Violin concerto by von Herzogenbach (?). I never heard that name before! I checked and found out that the work is from 1889, so not my interest, but anyway I should have heard this name before - but I didn't.

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Wednesday 10 February 2010, 12:10
Herzogenberg I think Tobias ? Yes there are so many works from the 19th & 20th centuries not on any lists, and yet to be revealed. When you finish the current catalogue, (and that may never happen), will you consider listing pre- 1894 works ? That would complete your fantastic work.
Unfortunately, there was not alot of serious music being written in Australia pre 1930.Any musician with talent, (& money), usually left for England or Europe for better opportunities.
Marcus
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Wednesday 10 February 2010, 12:41
Yes, it was Herzogenberg!
As you already said, my work is never finished and thats fine, because it will never become boring and secondly I don't have to extend my catalogue! I don't like the music before 1900 not that much, thats the reason for my focus on the 20th century and I will keep that focus!
OK, maybe Australia is a bad example for violin concertos before 1930, but in other countries a lot of violin concertos were created that time. One just have to find out the names and work titles...

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 10 February 2010, 14:32
The work of listing 1894-2006 violin concertos is complicated in my opinion by all those concertos that were written for doctoral dissertations, stored in libraries and never performed or recorded (perhaps a few are worth rediscovering, I do not doubt; Prokofiev's first piano concerto and Myaskovsky's first symphony were doctorate works too, of course. So I don't mean to imply otherwise. But a cursory scan with a clever search, of, say, the New York Public Library catalog at http://catalog.nypl.org reveals a ... lot... of violin concertos written in the inter-war years, for example, by, I think, completely unfamiliar names.)

Eric
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Wednesday 10 February 2010, 17:33
Hello Eric,

thanks for mentioning that aspect!
I already had the same thought and contacted a lot of university libraries directly but the response rate was rather low. A problem is to find the online catalogues which can be scanned for these works, so thank you for mentioning the NY Public Library. Other sources will be welcome as well!

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 11 February 2010, 03:53
Well, never forget www.worldcat.org ...
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: chill319 on Thursday 11 February 2010, 04:44
Ludolf Nielsen. Op.9 Berceuse. Violin and strings 1905
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Thursday 11 February 2010, 12:03
Hello Tobias,
Another name for your list:
Yaron Gottfried (b.1968 Israel) - Concerto for 2 Violins & Ochestra. (3mvts 21'37") Available from CD Baby USA.

Marcus.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Thursday 11 February 2010, 15:43
Thanks for the hint on the Nielsen and the Gottfried! Already ordered!  :D
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Friday 12 February 2010, 11:15
Just a few more names for your unrecorded violin concerto list:
English composers: Percy Pitt (1869-1932) Ballade for Violin & Orchestra op17 (1900), Anthony Collins (1893-1963) Two Violin Concertos,(you have one listed ?),Ian Whyte (1901-1960) Concerto, Reginald Redman (1892-1972) Serenade for 2 Violins & Orchestra, Ernest Ford (1858-1919) Elegy for Violin & Orchestra.
Other nationalities: Felix Woyrsch (1860-1944) Concerto in D minor op50 (between 1896-1908),Alberto.I.Randegger (1880-1918) Concerto (played by Kubelik in London in 1902), Arne Oldberg (1874-1962) Concerto (1953), Franz Ondricek (1859-1922) Concerto, Marcel Quinet (1915- ) 3 Equisses Concertante for Violin & Orchestra (1946), Rudolf Moser (1892-1960) Concerto for Violin , Viola & Orchestra, G.Gavazenni (1909- ?) Concerto (1937) A. Lehman Engel (b1910- ?) Concerto (1945), H.H.Huss Concerto in C minor (note key), Paul Juon (1872-1940) Concerto in B minor (key), Wesley la Violette (1894-1978)  Double Concerto for String Quartet & Orchestra (1937), Concerto no1 (1929) no2 (1938) (dates), L.F.M.Aubert (1877-1968) Capriccio Violin & Orchestra (1925), J.Canteloube (1879-1957) Poeme for Violin & Orchestra (1937), Jean Hure (1877-1930) Air for Violin & Orchestra (1902) J.Jongen ((1873-1953), Concerto in B minor (key), Jean Martinon (1910-1976) Concerto for String Quartet & Chamber Orchestra (1944), Pierre Sancan (1916-2008) Concerto (1958).
This is the tip of a very large  iceberg ! Hope it is useful.
Cheers !
Marcus.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Friday 12 February 2010, 15:19
Hello Marcus,

thanks a lot for the impressive list!
I will add the information in the next weeks! What is your source if I may ask you?

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Martin Eastick on Friday 12 February 2010, 17:52
Hello Tobias,

Have you included Ignatz Waghalter (1881-1949) yet. The Violin Concerto in A Op15 was published in 1911 and there is also the Rapsodie for violin & orchestra Op9 which dates from 1909 I believe! Both are as yet unrecorded - unless you know otherwise!

Good luck with your project.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Saturday 13 February 2010, 09:41
Hi Tobias,
My sources are mainly books & information obtained from the i/net over the years.
The American Oscar Thompson's Cyclopedia of Music & Musicians, (2250 pages) is a huge source of information.
Nicolas Slonimsky's Biographical Dictionary of Composers & Musicians, is very good, and of course I need not mention Groves. An article by Philip Scowcroft entitled "Some British Conductor-Composers"(1990-94-97), plus various other books and articles on composers. (Too many to list), although Robert Layton's "A Guide to the Concerto" has a wealth of information, although compared to your list, is a mere postscript. The French composers are listed in an article entitled Impressionist Composers. I sat down with the Thompson Cyclopedia, and within an hour, I had picked at random, a few obscure names I had heard of, and there are many more - the same applies to Groves. I think if you spend a month with those two books, you will expand your list of unrecorded works considerably.
I will try to source more information on early 20th century Australian.& NZ composers.
Cheers !
Marcus.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Saturday 13 February 2010, 15:04
Hello Marcus,

thanks for the answer and the source of your knowledge!
I already ordered a copy of the Thompson works (for pretty nice 3€ in total!) For the Groves I need a library, but hopefully my city libraries got something like that!

Thanks for all the hints and I would be pleased if you can check the Aussie and NZ composers!

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: KLScott on Monday 15 February 2010, 02:02
Dear Tobias:

I'm sure I will come up with a list of works that are not on your site, but for now I will mention one, namely the Fantasiestucke for Violin and Orchestra, Op. 66 by the German composer Hugo Kaun (1863-1932). A contemporary of Richard Strauss, Mahler, Reger and Pfitzner, Kaun's music is rarely played, and very few commercial recordings exist of his music. This work lasts, judging from the orchestral score and violin-piano reduction, lasts around ten minutes, and was premiered in Berlin on 1 January 1907 under Busoni's direction, with Michael Press as soloist.

Unfortunately, no recording exists, and the only modern performance I have been able to trace so far occured in September of 2002 at the University of Wisconsin through the Max Kade Institute for German-American Studies. Kaun lived in Milwaukee from 1887 to 1902.

This is a composer who is, from what I have heard so far, is a major find.

KL Scott
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 15 February 2010, 19:34
Question- do you use http://cadensa.bl.uk as a resource? They list a concerto by Stanley Bate as recorded, for instance, though they don't say which one it is (just that it was composed in 1950) or who's conducting. It's the sound archive library catalog of the BBC (now known as iLink.)

Eric
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: chill319 on Tuesday 16 February 2010, 02:58
Frederick Shepherd Converse. Concerto for Violin and Orchestra, opus 13 (1902).
Dedicated to Timothee Adamowski (violinist and first conductor of the Boston Pops)
First public performance: 1932. No known recording.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Tuesday 16 February 2010, 06:40
Hello Tobias,
Just a couple of Finnish names: (unrecorded)
Heikki Suolahti (1920-1936) Violin Concerto (1934), Jorma Panula (b.1930) Violin Concerto (1954), E.Pingaud (1887-1942) Violin Concerto (unfinished)
Marcus
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Tuesday 16 February 2010, 08:19
Quote from: eschiss1 on Monday 15 February 2010, 19:34
Question- do you use http://cadensa.bl.uk as a resource? They list a concerto by Stanley Bate as recorded, for instance, though they don't say which one it is (just that it was composed in 1950) or who's conducting. It's the sound archive library catalog of the BBC (now known as iLink.)

Eric


Hello Eric,

thanks for the hint, but I already searched for the Bate violin concertos and several times I came across site which list the commercially recorded *viola* concertos as a violin concerto. So I am pretty sure that the entry you found is the viola concerto.

Marcus and chill!
Thanks for the names! I already added them to my offline list, will search for some additional information (if necessary) and of course for a recording and then add the works to my website (within the next weeks). So thanks a lot and you are of course always welcome to mention further names!

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Tuesday 16 February 2010, 12:24
Hello KLScott,
Re Hugo Kaun -  a name unknown to me.
Although this  is not related to the violin concerto thread, (which you have already covered),I have dug a little further and discovered that his Symphony no1 To the Fatherland (1893)and the Piano Concerto no1 in E flat minor op50,
are both available on CD.  A post requesting details of piano concerto recordings is elswhere in this forum. I have not been able to access this list to check, but you may be able ?
Marcus.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 16 February 2010, 12:33
The entry I found for the Bate does say it's a private tape, but it may be a mislisting for the viola concerto.  (Evidence against: the viola concerto is from 1944-46, the violin concerto listed in iLink is from 1950. According to http://www.musicweb-international.com/bate/index.htm , that would be the 3rd concerto; the first is from the 1930s, the second is from 1943. 1953 is indeed the premiere date, as below. This does give dates for your list, I suppose...)

All iLink says is, that Antonio Brosa is the violinist, Richard Austin, cond., London Symphony, tape from about 1953. I'm guessing it might be the premiere, and it's most likely the 3rd violin concerto.
Eric
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: John Hudock on Monday 22 February 2010, 13:23
I just mentioned in a post I made about Bortkiewicz that he has a violin concerto, published in 1922, that has never been recorded, as far as I can tell.

More info can be found here:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~ingp0040/1828589.htm (http://www.xs4all.nl/~ingp0040/1828589.htm)
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 22 February 2010, 17:59
Quote from: Marcus on Tuesday 16 February 2010, 12:24
Although this  is not related to the violin concerto thread, (which you have already covered),I have dug a little further and discovered that his Symphony no1 To the Fatherland (1893)and the Piano Concerto no1 in E flat minor op50,
are both available on CD. 
Marcus.
The recordings are of academic interest only, the music having been synthesised, not played by an orchestra and soloist. They can be found at; http://www.romana-hamburg.de/Kaun.htm
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Friday 26 February 2010, 11:13
Hello Tobias,
Another name for your unrecorded list: G.W.L Marshall-Hall (1862-1915) England/Australia:
Capriccioso for Violin & Orchestra (1910),Violin Fantasies (1907)
The manuscripts for these works are held in the Grainger Museum, Melbourne, Australia.
I am preparing a list of Finnish violin works, which I will send in the next few days. Although they are only names, it is a starting point for you, and your resources are probably more extensive than mine.
Marcus.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Friday 26 February 2010, 17:39
Hello Marcus,

thanks for the additional information! I will include within the next weeks.

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 26 February 2010, 20:11
In addition to the 4 Violin Concertos you list of Emanuel Moor, there are the following:

Suite for Violin & strings (arr. of Violin & piano suite), Op.73 (1908?) - pub. Siegel [score and parts in Fleisher]
Rhapsody, Op.84 (1908?) - pub. Mathot [score and parts in Fleisher]
Concertstück, Op.134A (1912?) - unpublished
Triple (Vn/Pf/Vc), Op.70 (1907?) - MS [score and parts in Fleisher]
Concertstück (Vn/Vc), Op.98 (1909) - pub. Mathot
Concerto for Piano & Violin, no opus no. (1911) - MS
Concerto for String Quartet & orchestra, no opus no. (1916) - MS

The Moor archive is held at Westminster Music Library, Victoria, London, but not all of these pieces are present. They may be in other collections, but I have done only superficial research on Emanuel Moor.



Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Yavar Moradi on Friday 26 February 2010, 23:49
You mention Lee Holdridge's excellent recorded Violin Concerto No. 2 here:
http://www.violinconcerto.de/collection.php?action=composer&composer=Holdridge&first_name=Lee

No mention of his Violin Concerto No. 1 in the unrecorded section...

Sadly I can't find any information about it at either his website or Wikipedia, but if he intended to suppress it I wonder why he'd call his recorded violin concerto "No. 2"!

Yavar
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: John Hudock on Saturday 27 February 2010, 00:47
This may be what you list as a "Tone Poem for Violin & Orchestra", but while investigating his poeme for piano & orchestra I came across a listing of Vierne's Ballade for Violin & Orchestra, Op 52 (1926).

http://www.netreach.net/~druid/LVe/CatalogueBG.html

As far as I've been able to find it's unrecorded.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Saturday 27 February 2010, 09:17
Quote from: Yavar Moradi on Friday 26 February 2010, 23:49
You mention Lee Holdridge's excellent recorded Violin Concerto No. 2 here:
http://www.violinconcerto.de/collection.php?action=composer&composer=Holdridge&first_name=Lee

No mention of his Violin Concerto No. 1 in the unrecorded section...

Sadly I can't find any information about it at either his website or Wikipedia, but if he intended to suppress it I wonder why he'd call his recorded violin concerto "No. 2"!

Yavar


Hello Yavar,

thanks for the note!

You are right, it exists a violin concerto No.1 by Holdridge and I was in touch with him some time ago and he wanted to send me a recording of it, but it never happened. So there is a "No.1", but not commercially recorded.

Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Saturday 27 February 2010, 09:18
Thanks, John and Gareth, for the Moor and Vierne works!

Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 28 February 2010, 12:49
A complete list of Emanuel Moor's works, with opus nos. and publishers where known, can be found at
http://www.emanuel-und-henrik-moor-stiftung.de/Emanuel/works.shtml (http://www.emanuel-und-henrik-moor-stiftung.de/Emanuel/works.shtml) by the way. -
Eric
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Thursday 04 March 2010, 00:24
Hello Tobias,
I notice that you have quite a few New Zealand works, and one listed recorded work without details:
Lyell Cresswell Violin Concerto (1970): Two recordings available, both on cassette with works by other NZ composers 1: NZBC Symphony Orchestra conducted by Edwin Carr Soloist Alex Lindsay (rec1971)
                  2:  As above.
The New Zealand music site Sounz website has an extensive list of NZ composers, and many works are recorded and available from Sounz, Zeroland or Kiwi Pacific Records, but like those above, are not commercial recordings generally available to the public. Sounz also carries most of the scores, available for purchase.
I have been through the list, but I did not list recordings, as most of those that are available, are hard to obtain for the general music lover. I have listed a few compositions which may not be of interest to you, but you can decide that. I suggest that you access the Sounz web-site, although by the look of your list, I am sure you already know of it.


1. Lyell Cresswell (b1944)
Concerto for Orchestra & String Quartet (1997) 26'54" (rec. cassette NZ string Quartet & BBC Scottish SO cond Kenneth Young rec. 2001)
Inventions for Violin Octet  ( scordatura tunings range across contrabass to treble violin) 16' 1994

2.David Farquhar (1928-2007)
1.Evocation for Orchestral Violins 1975 8' single mvt.
2.Scenes & Memories Violin Piano & Percussion (2 cymbals, & side drum) 17' 1972

Chris Watson (b.1976)
Ogee for Violin & orchestra single mvt 11' 2009

Michael F.Williams (b 1960's ?)(has his own web-site, but no birth date)
Triple Concerto Violin, Cello & Piano "Convergence" 3 mvts 2007

Maria Grenfell (b.1969)
Ceol na Fidhle - Vioin & Percussion ( 4 tom-toms,small bass drum,chinese opera gong, marimba & suspended cymbls) 4 mvts 9' 1999

Philip Norman (b1953)
Concerto Violin, Piano & Orchestra 3 mvts 20' 1995

James Gardner (b1962)
Whispered by the Perfumed Breath of Silence for Solo Violin & 12 String instruments single mvt 9' 1999

Chris Adams (b.1979)
Arianna Suite for 4 Violins 5'30" 2010

John Rimmer (b1939)
1.Gossamer for 12 Solo Strings (4 Violins, 4 Violas, 3 cellos & 2 D/Bass)   9' 1984
2.Composition 8 - for Violin & Electronic Sounds 16' 1974

Douglas Lilburn (1915-2001)
Canzona for 2 Solo Violins & String Quartet 3'

Ashley Heenan (b.1925-2004)
Concerto Violin, Organ Harpsichord & Strings "After Vivaldi" 12'

Jack Body (b.1944)
1. After Bach for 8 Vioilns, 4 cellos 2001
2.Mediatations on Michaelangelo for Solo Violin & String Orchestra 7 mvts 17' 2007

Ewan Clark (b.1981)
Gethsemane for 4 Solo Violins & String orchestra 10' 2000

Chris Prosser (b.1956)
1.Pacific for Violin scordatura 2hours 5mins 1992
2.Birds Reply to Bartok - 44 Violin Duos 2003 (no time listing)

Cheers,
Marcus.



Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Thursday 04 March 2010, 09:50
Hello Tobias,
Another for your catalogue of recorded works:
Velesslavitsa - Concerto for Piano Two Violins & Cello (2008) by Alexander Prior (b.1992)
3 movements: Maestoso - Allegro 17'08", Grave 17'42", Presto 11'45"
Toccata classics TT4635

   
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Thursday 04 March 2010, 16:16
Hello Marcus,

thanks a lot for the list!
First I have to underline that I really just focus on works composed between 1894 and 2006, so everything composed after that is out of my bounces.
Anyway I found a few works in your list I had to add to my "missing list" and interestingly two are recorded (not commercially but with a recording in the SOUNZ library): The Cresswell and the Philip Norman. You are right, that I know the SOUNZ website for some time. In fact I was a member of SOUNZ for two years and borrowed a few recordings from them, but then cancelled the membership. Right now I would be pleased to be a member again, but I am not - but are you?

Best,
Tobias

Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Friday 05 March 2010, 12:24
Hello Tobias,
I am listing a few unrecorded Violin Concertos from Finland, sourced from books (Dictionary of Music & Musicians from Finland,(Hillila), Thompson's Cyclopedia, Groves, etc), and the Finnish Music Information Centre. In some instances, I have only been able to establish that violin concerto(s) were written, with no further details available, but better some info than none, & your resources will fill in the details. Dates  & approx. timings are given where known.
Errki Aaltonen (1910-90) Violin Concerto 1966 (serial technique)
Harri Ahmas (b1957) 3 Mvts Violin & wind band 2005 22'
Adina Dumitrescu (b1964) J'ai Trouve L'histoire Concertante work for Violin, Piano & String Quartet
Erik Fordell (1917-81) wrote 2 Concertos
Nils-Erik Fougstedt (1910-61) Concerto 1937
Gottfried Grasbeck (b1927) Chamber Concerto Violin & String Orchestra 1998 18' Violin Concerto 1976
Vaino Haapalainen Jnr (1916-77) Concerto no1 1944 no2 1954
Paavo Heininen (b1938) Concerto op75 1999 38'
Mikko Heinio (b1948) Concerto Alla Madre for Violin, Harp & Strings 30-35'
Mauri Hongista (b1921) Concert op13 1954

Teppo Hauta-Aho (b1941 Concertino for improvising soloist & Orchestra 1974 12',Concertino Violin & Viikares & strings 1980 5', Concerto 2 Violins (or Violin/Viola, Violin/Cello) & String orchestra 1981,Triple Concerto 2 Violins & Cello & string Orchestra,Viikaripolska 2 Violins,Cello & String Orchestra 1982,Rapsodi 2 Viloins, Cello & String Orchestra 1983 10', Concertino 2 Violin & Strings 1985 10', Triple Concerto Grosso 2 Violins, Cello & Strings 1985, Concertino Piccolo IV Jazz, 2 Violins, Dbl bass, Viola, Cello 1984.

Ahti Karjalainen (1907-86) Violin Concerto no1 1952, #2 1975
Eero Kesti (b1959) Serenade Violin & 12 Strings  8'
Oliver Kohlenberg (b1957) Quintuple Concerto op6 2 Violins, Viola, 2 cellos,with  Piano, Cembalo & strings 15'
Olli Koskelin (b1955) Circles Within for 19 Solo strings (10-4-3-2) 1999 14'30"
Pekka Kostiainen (b1944) Concerto 1978 22', Concerto Grosso 3 violins, 2 Cellos & strings 1989 18'
Timo-Juhani Kyllonen (b1955) Kajalainen Suite op3 Violin & Strings 8', Concerto grosso Solo violin & strings 2002 16'
Tapani Lansio (b1953) Taikaviulu  - Violin, Harpsichord, 2 Percussionists & reciter 1991
Armas Launas (1884-1959) Suite Nordique Violin & Orchestra
Herbet Lindholm (b1946) Concertino Carelia op64 Violin & Strings 8'
Jaako Linjama (1909-83) Concerto Brevis Violin & Strings 1954
Jyrki Linjama (b1962) Elegia 8 violins, 4 Violas 3 cellos 1987 17'
Vilho Luolajan-Mikkola (b1911) Violin Suite
Usko Merilainen (1930-2004) Chmaber Concerto Solo Violin & Percussion (2 Players) & Double String orchestra 1962 18',Concerto per 13 7 Violins,3 violas, 2 cellos DblBass 1971 15
Kai Niemainen (b1953) Concerto 2005 30'
Per Nordgren (b1944) 4 Violin Concertos 2nd 1977, 3rd 1981, 4th 1993
Jorma Panula (b1930) Concerto 1954
E.Pingoud (1887-1942) Violin Concerto unfinished
Pentti Raitio (b1930) "13" 13 Strings (6-4-2-1) 1964 10'
Lauri Saikkola (1906-95) wrote Violin Concertos
Errki Salmenharara (b1941) Concerto for 2 Violins, amplifiers & loudspeakers 1963, Poema-  Solo violin & String Orchestra 1975 7'
Leif Segerstam (b1944) has written 13 violin concertos
Esko Syinki (b1943) Concerto op18 (1990-92) 19'50"
Ari Vakkilainen (b1959) Violin Concerto no2 1992
Matthew Whittall (b1975) Nuit blanche Solo violin & orchestra (2004-5 15'
Aki Yli-Salomaki (b1972) Concerto  Violin & String Orchestra, 2002 18'
Kosti Vehanen (1887-1957) Violin & Cello Fantasy

Cheers !

Marcus

Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Monday 08 March 2010, 19:00
Hello Marcus,

that is an impressive list! Thanks for it!
I am still looking forward to research the fimic.fi site (what I did sometime in the past, but not really seriously), but you already made most of the work! Thanks a lot!

Best,
Tobias
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Wednesday 10 March 2010, 04:07
Hello Tobias,
I was happy to resource that information for you, as I am reitred now.  My three main interests in life, (apart from family), are Classical music, Astronomy, Cricket, & Aussie Rules Football.(in that order). I have had a few health problems lately, and this forum is  perfect relaxation for me, and often entertaining. You probably already know this, but I mention it anyway. Music Information Centre web-sites are available on most country web-sites.  Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Icelandic & Estonian are particularly good sites, but even Australia & New Zealand have their sites.
You ask about Sounz NZ membership - I was a member a few years back, and have purchased most of my CDs of NZ music from them. Their service is always prompt & very professional. It is also an excellent site for scores of NZ music.
Keep searching for those new listings, and I will keep looking also. Good luck !
Cheers !
Marcus.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: chill319 on Thursday 11 March 2010, 02:04
The score to Violin Concerto No.1, Op.11 by Młynarski, Emil is available on IMSLP. I believe it is not included in either your recorded or unrecorded lists.
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: Marcus on Tuesday 25 May 2010, 12:58
HelloTobias,
Just to mention a Violin Concerto by Dr Tommy Tycho AO MBE. His is a name not known to most outside Australia.
He was born in Hungary in 1928, and as a boy was imprisoned by the Nazis in a concentration camp for three years. As a child prodigy, at age 10, he played piano in a concert with the Budapest Philharmonic, and took up a position after the war in Iran, as the Shah's musician/pianist. In 1951 he moved to Australia, and conducted a very successful career as composer (TV & film music), conductor/ arranger & pianist. He suffered a stroke in 2008, and is paralysed on his left side, but he continues to write & compose, and was in the audience at the premiere of his VC at the Randwick (Sydney) Town Hall . He has written 1500 scores for film & TV music, plus many popular arrangements of other works.
Late in life, he has turned his hand to music of a more serious type, and has composed concertos for Violin, Piano & Trumpet, plus three orchestral overtures.
The Violin Concerto , although written in 2000, was not premiered until 10/4/2010, by the Lurline Symphony Orchestra, and was broadcast on Radio 2MBS-FM. It was described in a review as being "infused with middle-eastern flavours".
I have written to the Lurline orchestra who have advised that a DVD & CD of the VC has been produced, will be issued soon. They will advise me when it becomes available, so I will let you know.
But if you wish to investigate further yourself, Tommy Tycho has his own web-site: tommytycho.com.au, and the Lurline Orchestra's web-site lurlineco.com.au
Marcus.

Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: ahinton on Tuesday 25 May 2010, 15:57
Roslavets's first one was pretty much unsung until Alina Ibragimova's splendid recording of it on Hyperion; his second was very much unsung until the same artist's equally splendid world première recording of it on the same disc following its relatively recent discovery.

Now for a really unsung violin concerto, how about the one by the pianist Ronald Smith (1922-2004)?...
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: M. Henriksen on Tuesday 25 May 2010, 22:49
Apparently this one is not on your list so far:

Apolinary Szeluto (1884 - 1966), Polish composer and one of the founders of the "Young Poland" group together with Szymanowski, Fitelberg and Rózycki. Szeluto composed one Violin Concerto in A major in 1942, his op. 98.
I have no information on any recording of this work.

Short biography and worklist can be found here: http://www.culture.pl/en/culture/artykuly/os_szeluto_apolinary (http://www.culture.pl/en/culture/artykuly/os_szeluto_apolinary)

Good luck with your work!

Morten
Title: Re: Help needed for: Unsung violin concertos 1894-..
Post by: violinconcerto on Wednesday 26 May 2010, 07:59
Thank you all for the new names!
I will add Tycho, R. Smith and Szeluto in the next weeks on my website.

Thanks and best,
Tobias