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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 12 December 2012, 07:35

Title: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 12 December 2012, 07:35
jpc are advertising for release on New Year's Day a new CD from Accent with the Violin Concertos Nos.3 and 6 of Bernhard Molique (1802-1869). Anton Steck is the soloist, with L'Arpa festante conducted by Christoph Spering. Details, but no sound bites yet, here (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Wilhelm-Bernhard-Molique-1802-1869-Violinkonzerte-Nr-3-d-moll-op-10-Nr-6-e-moll-op-30/hnum/2371423).
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 12 December 2012, 07:43
Very nice too. It's gone on my list...
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 12 December 2012, 12:22
Oh joy! I like Molique's music very much.
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 12 December 2012, 12:37
Here's some more info...
http://www.musicontact-germany.com/v2.php?do=detail&c=16653&p=1&a=&i=0&s=1 (http://www.musicontact-germany.com/v2.php?do=detail&c=16653&p=1&a=&i=0&s=1)
This webpage reveals that both concertos are over half an hour long (click on 'verso de la pochette'):
http://classique.abeillemusique.com/CD/Classique/ACC24247/4015023242470/Accent/Bernhard-Molique/Concertos-pour-violon-n-3-et-n-6/cleart-67085.html (http://classique.abeillemusique.com/CD/Classique/ACC24247/4015023242470/Accent/Bernhard-Molique/Concertos-pour-violon-n-3-et-n-6/cleart-67085.html)
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 19 December 2012, 17:31
The audio excerpts at jpc reveal some very lively and beautiful music; for my taste, however, the soloist produces too wiry a tone with very little vibrato, so it's clearly a HIP-influenced production. I've ordered it, but I think I'll be wishing for something a little more juicy in the way of performing style.
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 19 December 2012, 20:04
Quotefor my taste, however, the soloist produces too wiry a tone with very little vibrato,
That was my impression too, Alan. And I was rather disappointed, I must say. Like you, I will buy the CD and hope to be convinced.
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 23 December 2012, 17:51
MDT now lists this (as concertos 3 and 4, but the cover is reproduced which has 3 & 6.) Any idea by the way if (style aside) they'll be doing a series of his concertos? (I don't know that much of his music but have enjoyed what I've heard and seen in score, so far.  ) At least that might inspire others to take up the works too, if they play them well (but then, there are aspects of ... so-called?... period-performance-reproduction I enjoy- depending. The hedging, etc. in that last sentence deliberate, intentional... etc.!- moreso than sometimes with me.)

(Have definitely seen Christoph Spering's (any relation to Andreas?... -- never mind. brothers, acc. to Wikipedia...) name around a lot, and that ensemble's, too, I think. Can't recall if I've heard his conducting before, but I've seen CDs he's conducted- oh yes. Kalliwoda 5/7, on cpo ; Christoph Spering/Das Neue Orchester. The local public library has that disc, I've heard it (and like it, personally. Sym. 5 has been very lucky on recording!... anyway.)

Eric
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 30 December 2012, 13:13
Frankly, this is a frustrating release. While in general enjoying the vigorous playing of the orchestra, the HIP-informed solo violin playing with its almost total lack of vibrato does little for the music. In fact, much of the time I felt rather queasy at the intonation problems which result from this style of playing. No, this is an opportunity missed, I think. Hyperion would have done it so much better...
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Post by: petershott@btinternet.com on Sunday 30 December 2012, 13:45
Alas, Alan, you have (so to speak) murdered a potential purchase! I've come to enjoy Molique enormously on account of the string quartets (performed by the Mannheim Qt on CPO, and may there soon be further volumes to the present three!) and wanted to investigate his orchestral music. But I suspect I would not enjoy this one, so shall divert funds elsewhere.

Yes, I'm sure Hyperion would do it splendidly. Maybe one day.
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 30 December 2012, 14:01
Or if they are discouraged by the existence of the cpo, maybe some other label later on. Accent or Accord or somesuch. If that present situation continues, as hopefully!
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: petershott@btinternet.com on Sunday 30 December 2012, 16:27
Actually, Eric, the Vn Concertos are recorded on Accent (ACC24247) already - so we won't be looking to Accent for different versions. Hardly worth mentioning - but I know you are a stickler for accuracy (and how right to be so).

Hum, maybe this counts as the most insignificant contribution to the forum this year!
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 30 December 2012, 17:17
The CD is worth having to hear the music - but listening to it is a bit like taking an ice-cold shower: beneficial, but hardly enjoyable.
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 30 December 2012, 21:16
I am so looking forward to getting my copy.  :-\
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Post by: DennisS on Sunday 30 December 2012, 21:31
 I too am eagerly awaiting the arrival of my copy of the CD.  The sound bites on Jpc convinced me that this CD was, for me, a must buy.
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 30 December 2012, 22:52
I'm afraid that I was being sarcastic, Dennis!
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 30 December 2012, 23:08
I'm afraid the horrid solo violin-playing just won't do. Good job the music's not of the front rank - it's sort of like Spohr, only with more guts...
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 30 December 2012, 23:39
(from the cat?)
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 31 December 2012, 00:00
Very good, Eric!
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 02 January 2013, 14:30
Alan Howe wrote
Quoteit's sort of like Spohr, only with more guts...
Rat's! My copy came this morning and, as I was playing it I was thinking "beefed-up Spohr" and then I find that Alan already said it! Actually, the music itself is fine by me;  although clearly not by a major composer, it is quite robust in places. Despite the obvious debt to Spohr, my first impression is that Molique at least doesn't ape Spohr's all-pervading chromaticism, although Kai Köpp's insert notes contradict that impression. Unfortunately, though, I am totally with those who find the violin playing painful for the reasons which Alan has outlined earlier. The vibrato-free approach may be historically correct for all I know but its meanness does the music no favours at all and one is left with an impression that these are smaller works than they really are. A missed opportunity I feel. 
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: DennisS on Wednesday 02 January 2013, 20:34
I haven't as yet received my copy of the Cd but hope that I won't be too disappointed if the violin playing leaves something to be desired.
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 02 January 2013, 23:11
Do let us know what you think, Dennis. You may react quite differently...
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Post by: jonfrohnen on Wednesday 06 November 2013, 18:16
Such interesting concerti but the soloist...oh my, not so good at all, really detracts from the beauty of the music :-(
Title: Re: Molique Violin Concertos
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 06 November 2013, 18:44
It's a poor release, I'm afraid.