Unsung Composers

The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 24 March 2013, 22:37

Title: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 24 March 2013, 22:37
Violin Sonatas by Leander Schlegel (1844-1913), Gerrit van Eijken (1832-1879) and Jan Brandts Buys (1868-1933), played by Bob van der Ent (violin) and René Rakier (piano), are available on a CD from the Aliud label - AL 061 (http://www.aliudrecords.com/). The recording is also available for download here (http://www.theclassicalshop.net/Details.aspx?CatalogueNumber=AL%20061) (with audio extracts).
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 24 March 2013, 23:10
Very nice indeed. Can't find the CD for sale, though...
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: petershott@btinternet.com on Monday 25 March 2013, 00:08
Yes, certainly one to add to the shelves - especially for the Schlegel sonata.

But I can't find the actual physical CD for sale (as opposed to a download). Ironic, because on the Aliud website they talk about preserving these sonatas on a CD so they do not become neglected.

Looks as if Aliud is distributed in the UK by Discovery. So I reckon MDT, for example, should be able to obtain the CD.
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 25 March 2013, 07:19
theclassicalshop.net's page (to which I linked) is endorsed (in capitals!) with "This product is currently only available as an mp3", although Aliud's own site advertises a 26 January release date. As you'd expect, I've gone for the download.
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 01 April 2013, 07:04
I quite like Brandts-Buys (based on what I've heard- thanks Matesic for recording some really interesting other chamber works of his, a quartet and a sextet, and the (literally) Pastoral flute quintet I think may have been uploaded here- not sure?) and I think I may have heard some Schlegel. Eijken I'd want to find out about then and will try to :) Intriguing disc - thanks!
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: jerfilm on Monday 01 April 2013, 18:35
Yes, the Brandt-Buys Flute Quintet is indeed, a lovely piece.....

J
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: van der Ent on Thursday 04 July 2013, 19:54
Hello everyone

I am the violinist of this CD recording.
It's a great pleasure to read how much appreciation there is for these amazing composers.

If you would like to purchase the CD (i mean as a physical object)
send me an e-mail: info@bobvanderent.nl

regards,

Bob van der Ent
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 04 July 2013, 21:33
Hi Bob,
Great to hear from you - and thanks for making this splendid CD which, by the way, appears to be an imminent (16/07) release here in the UK:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dutch-Violin-Sonatas-Schlegel/dp/B00BQXWGYI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1372967707&sr=8-2&keywords=dutch+violin+sonatas (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dutch-Violin-Sonatas-Schlegel/dp/B00BQXWGYI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1372967707&sr=8-2&keywords=dutch+violin+sonatas)
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: matesic on Friday 05 July 2013, 08:37
Hello Bob! I couldn't resist getting my spoke in here, because I discovered your recording online shortly after posting my own attempt at the Brandts Buys sonata on IMSLP
http://imslp.org/wiki/Violin_Sonata,_Op.26_(Brandts_Buys,_Jan) (http://imslp.org/wiki/Violin_Sonata,_Op.26_(Brandts_Buys,_Jan))
Definitely not a "performance" (synth piano, heavily edited violin!) and no competition for your fine rendition. However, I just wondered whether your tempo for the finale is somewhat below "presto"? Perhaps the chordal writing for the piano is rather awkward.
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: matesic on Friday 05 July 2013, 08:48
Actually now I recall, I heard Bob's recording after starting mine but before posting. I pinched a few of his tempo ideas for the opening allegro...

Steve Jones
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 05 July 2013, 12:36
btw, links like that that end in ")" really don't work unless the ) is replaced with a %29. :)
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: chill319 on Thursday 18 July 2013, 02:00
I find the van Eijken sonata particularly appealing --  a rather advanced work, to judge from Schumann's three sonatas, written in the same half-decade.  Could forum members point me to other solo violin sonatas of merit written between 1830 and 1855?
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 18 July 2013, 02:33
Not unsung, but Mendelssohn's of 1838 :) (rediscovered by Menuhin) Will try to think of others, though... (Anton Rubinstein's 2nd violin sonata was published in 1855 so I'm guessing his first two date from the period 1830-55, since it seems unlikely he composed them in the first few months of his life (he was born in 1829). They're pretty good as I recall, anyway :) )
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: matesic on Thursday 18 July 2013, 08:16
Sung or unsung, it's a surprisingly long fallow period that hadn't struck me before, although Schumann's first two were written in 1851, the third in 1853. I'm also intrigued by the slightly later (post Onslow and Spohr) "lost generation" in the string quartet literature (relative, of course), and the major boom that followed in the 1880's
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 18 July 2013, 10:41
Raff's dramatic Violin Sonata No.1 was written in 1854, and IMHO is the best of his five pretty impressive contributions to the genre.
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: chill319 on Wednesday 24 July 2013, 02:26
@mark reply 14: Would Raff's first violin sonata be found on the first volume of CPO's traversal? 
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 24 July 2013, 03:09
vol. 1 of both sets, I think (cpo and Tudor).
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 24 July 2013, 07:06
Indeed. Personally, I'd marginally recommend the Tudor pairing of Daskalakis and Ishay because they give warmer and more  romantic performances, but others may prefer the edgier dramatics of Turban and Nemtsov on cpo.  Both are technically excellent and well recorded. I have both sets, and wouldn't be without either.
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 24 July 2013, 17:02
BTW about violin sonatas btw. 1830 and 1855, I'm surprised I forgot a "sonata" I like very much indeed- Alkan's duo.
I would have mentioned others from the period I expect I would like if I knew them (I'm not as convinced as matesic it's quite so barren a period as that) - I just don't know them yet, or very poorly. Sonatas by Ries, Kalkbrenner, Reissiger, and several others published (composed?) during this period I expect I'd probably enjoy- not the same as answering your question, though, I know. Still, do try the Alkan :)
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: matesic on Wednesday 24 July 2013, 19:15
Does this forum accept Excel graphs? Evidently not. I don't know about violin sonatas but when I roughly analysed the data for recorded string chamber music after 1800 (all the sources I could find on the web) I found that the number of composers producing pieces in any given year peaked at about 4 from 1800 to 1815, dropped to below 2 between 1845 and 1870 and increased steadily to 4 in 1880, 6 in 1900 and 8 in 1910. These of course all qualify as "sung" composers, so it might just be a function of current tastes rather than actual practice at the time. I think these trends are fascinating and might make a nice topic for someone's thesis.

Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 24 July 2013, 19:35
I'm assuming you went by publication year btw since composition year so often has to be guessed at or is just not known, while the former can usually be estimated with more certainty (if not always as certainly as one would like, though that can be an academic consideration :) )? Or no? :) ...
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: matesic on Wednesday 24 July 2013, 19:54
Since I wasn't aiming to write a thesis I was satisfied to be within about 5 years of the actual composition date. For pieces outside the popular canon I found Ray Silvertrust's site the best guide to whether or not a piece had been commercially recorded, but didn't attempt to track down broadcasts. I did say it was rough!
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 28 March 2014, 15:15
Finally got hold of this CD. The Schlegel's a gorgeous late-romantic outpouring - and, by the way, it's superbly played by Bob van der Ent and René Rakier. Bob's tone is particularly ravishing throughout. This is a magnificent release.
Title: Re: Three Dutch Violin Sonatas
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 28 March 2014, 17:19
Yes, I downloaded this one a few week's ago and it's given me lot of pleasure. For me the major hit of the three works is the earliest one. van Eijken's is an intensely dramatic piece, and a very strong and forward-looking piece for its time, I think. But Schlegel's is a real rosy-glow fin de siècle composition too, and also a great find. I'm left a bit cold by Brandts-Buys' Sonata, but it's far from being a bad piece, it just suffers slightly by comparison with the other two. All are played magnificently. Overall though, I thoroughly endorse Alan's recommendation.