I am travelling to Lithuania this week.
Having done a bit of forward research, one composer whose music I would very much like to hear more of is Jurgis Karnavičius (1884-1941) - I have discovered two pieces of his online and think they are wonderful:
Gražina's aria, from his opera Gražina - http://youtu.be/nFNFUxdyXmw (http://youtu.be/nFNFUxdyXmw) - Sung by soprano Gražina Apanavičiūtė.
and a fragment from what I am guessing is a symphonic poem or maybe an overture called The Oval Portrait - http://www.mic.lt/en/classical/persons/info/karnavicius?ref=%2Fen%2Fclassical%2Fpersons%2F41 (http://www.mic.lt/en/classical/persons/info/karnavicius?ref=%2Fen%2Fclassical%2Fpersons%2F41)
Another Lithuanian composer who has an opera aria on youtube that I am enjoying is Mikas Petrauskas (1873-1937) - Birutė's aria from his opera Birutė - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuMNGJdi4U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfuMNGJdi4U) Sung by soprano Asta Kriksciunaite. Another version here with soprano Gražina Apanavičiūtė - http://youtu.be/WbfATFalqrA (http://youtu.be/WbfATFalqrA)
Does anyone have any further (late) romantic-era Lithuanian recommendations for me?
I have enjoyed the orchestral works of Ciurlionis (1875-1911) very much over the years. The Sea and In the Forest. I haven't listened to any of the chamber music, which I should someday. The recording I first acquired was on the Seven Seas label from Japan, but the Marco Polo is every bit as good.
There's also a nice disc of piano music of Ciurlionis on Marco Polo/Naxos.
Try this Wikipedia listing:
http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C4%85ra%C5%A1as:Lietuvos_kompozitoriai (http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C4%85ra%C5%A1as:Lietuvos_kompozitoriai)
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I have enjoyed the orchestral works of Ciurlionis (1875-1911) very much over the years. The Sea and In the Forest. I haven't listened to any of the chamber music, which I should someday. The recording I first acquired was on the Seven Seas label from Japan, but the Marco Polo is every bit as good.
Am I right in thinking Ciurlionis wrote just 3 orchestral works? The Sea, In the Forest, and De Profundis (chorus and orchestra)?
On the website http://ciurlionis.licejus.lt/Muzika_en.htm#kiti (http://ciurlionis.licejus.lt/Muzika_en.htm#kiti) it says
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Talking about other notable musical works of Ciurlionis first of all one should mention cantata "De profundis" (1899) - this is his most well-known composition for choir. Symphonic overture "Kestutis" (1902) is no less worth remarking (only piano score remained). There are other symphonic compositions but only their sketches remained.
Ciurlionis created not only folk songs' harmonizations but also original compositions for a capella psalms (1898-1902) and poems written by his whife Sofija (1908-1909).
When Ciurlionis reached the peak of his creative and spiritual development (~1907-1909) he was burning with desire to write his greatest work - opera "Jurate". As J.Landsbergyte (Lithuanian musicologist) wrote, it "was supposed to realize his new musical symbolism, to merge the worlds of musical and pictorial spaces". Unfortunately, the opera was never completed."
(By the way, there are free downloads of his music available on that site)
Balys Dvarionis (1904-1974).
His violin concerto has been recorded by BIS, coupled with the Korngold VC.
Really worth hearing.
Quote from: Christopher on Monday 17 March 2014, 10:42
Am I right in thinking Ciurlionis wrote just 3 orchestral works? The Sea, In the Forest, and De Profundis (chorus and orchestra)?
Well, beyond the 3 you mention, there's
Polonaise for winds (1900)
5 Preludes for string orchestra (on the same album as the symphonic poems)
Dias irae, symphony (1911) - no more word about this one
and sketches:
Symphony in d minor (1902) -sketches for 1 movement
Lithuanian Pastoral symphony (1911) (sketches)
Creation of the world (1907) (sketches)
There's also Jazeps Vitols/Joseph Wihtol, some of whose music has been recorded (including his string quartet @ IMSLP, and a number of pieces on LP and CD.)
Unfortunately no recordings I'm aware of offhand, but the same Jurgis Karnavičius you mention composed at least two string quartets that seem interesting. (Actually, Russiancomposers.org.uk lists 5. The first two numbered quartets are digitized and @ IMSLP again.)
It might be nice to hear more by Naujalis or Laurischkus :)
Kazimieras Banaitis (1896-1963) fits the bill exactly of a late romantic style composer who is worth exploring. On a radio program surveying Baltic composers I heard one excerpt from an opera of his, "Jurate ir Kastytis" so beautiful that for years I searched for a complete recording. I finally located it through the Lithuanian Opera of Chicago, who had recorded the opera in 1972 and released it as a boxed LP set.
The opera is a Baltic version the Loreley / Undine / Russalka tales of water spirits. There is a quite thorough online article that sets it in context of other operatic works based on these myths.
http://www.lituanus.org/1996/96_4_01.htm (http://www.lituanus.org/1996/96_4_01.htm)
Outside of Lithuania, it seems that other compositions of Banaitas, even articles on the composer himself, are hard to come by. Yet on the strength of that one work alone I would say he's well worth searching out. Christopher, as you'll be going to Lithuania I'm sure there's a far better chance of discovering the music of Banaitas there than anyplace else!
There is a wikipedia article on the composer, though it would need translation from Lithuanian:
http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazimieras_Viktoras_Banaitis (http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazimieras_Viktoras_Banaitis)
QuoteThere's also Jazeps Vitols
He's Latvian. Or was. But hey, that begins with an 'L' too....
hrm. Thought I saw him in a list of Lithuanian people, but was getting confused and sleepy and mixing things up. Sorry about that.
Vitols is most definitely Latvian. But he did write a Rhapsody of Lithuanian Folksongs (unrecorded I believe) - http://imslp.org/wiki/Rhapsody_on_Lithuanian_Folksongs,_Op.39_%28V%C4%ABtols,_J%C4%81zeps%29 (http://imslp.org/wiki/Rhapsody_on_Lithuanian_Folksongs,_Op.39_%28V%C4%ABtols,_J%C4%81zeps%29)
Re Ciurlionis:
http://ciurlionis.eu/en/music/ (http://ciurlionis.eu/en/music/)
Čiurlionis' symphonic output is not copious: two symphonic poems In the Forest (1901) and The Sea (1907), Overture for symphony orchestra, the First Symphony (unfinished) and cantata De Profundis for symphony orchestra and mixed choir. His rough draft manuscripts contain sketches of two other symphonic poems (The Creation of the World and Dies irae), the Second Symphony (Lithuanian Pastoral) and several other works (Fantasie, Largo and Prelude).
The way I tell Lithuanian and Latvian names apart is that Lithuanian names mostly sound like they could be Greek, while Latvian names all sound like they could be Russian...with 's' tacked on the end. ;D
Quotebut was getting confused and sleepy and mixing things up. Sorry about that
No apology needed, of course. Vitols is a composer worth remembering anyway.
I like the music of Ciurlionis, including his piano music mentioned earlier. Although I haven't found the latter especially memorable, it's mostly gentle, melodious and contemplative - which suits me fine much of the time!
In respect of orchestral music, we mustn't forget Naujalis of course - composer of the Lithuanian national anthem. I am not familiar with any of his other compositions, except two rather enjoyable pieces - Autumn and Daydream - that appeared on an old Melodiya LP.
My teacher at school said Lithuanian names looked like infections - Tonsillytis, Laryngytis....! With no offence to Lithuanians - I am looking forward enormously to visiting!!
I had a little thread over here going a while back. Laurischkus is a bit of an oddity, I haven't found too much information on him, and little of his work is recorded. I do have a record transfer of his woodwind quintet, based on Lithuanian themes, let me know if you want to take a listen!
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,4719.msg50584.html#msg50584 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,4719.msg50584.html#msg50584)
Yes please!! :)
Somewhat off topic, but apparently, Lithuanian is one of the most archaic languages spoken today and the closest living language to the old Proto-Indo-European, from which most European and some Asian languages evolved. To hear a Lithuanian peasant speaking is as close as we can get to hearing this ancient mother tongue.
Interesting...
I made a similar observation about the Lithuanian language - http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,1528.15.html (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,1528.15.html) back in February 2012 and immediately got a very curt sarcastic putdown to stay on-topic. I guess some people will never be in the in-crowd....
I have put in the downloads section a recording of Mikalojus Čiurlionis's Kęstutis symphonic overture. Čiurlionis, I understand, wrote his as a symphonic overture, but never got around to orchestating it, leaving it only in piano form. in 1995, the Lithuanian musicologist Jurgis Juozapaitis http://www.mic.lt/en/classical/persons/info/juozapaitisjurgis (http://www.mic.lt/en/classical/persons/info/juozapaitisjurgis) restored and orchestrated it. I understand this was recorded privately for Lithuanian radio, though it was never actually broadcast (yet).
Kęstutis (1297-1382) was a medieval monarch (grand-duke) of Lithuania.
Quoteand immediately got a very curt sarcastic putdown to stay on-topic. I guess some people will never be in the in-crowd....
There's no in-crowd here. But I'm glad you returned to the topic - thank you. And apologies for any inconsistency of reaction to digressions - it's a hard thing to judge.
Thanks very much indeed for Kęstutis, Christopher.
Yes, thank you Christopher. We are most fortunate to have access to this. It's a passionate and most enjoyable piece, and to my ears expertly played, but is it complete? It does seem to tail off quite unexpectedly! :)
I second or third or whatever the others. Thanks for the treat, Christopher
Here's a funny thing, tho, Alan or Mark - and maybe no one else experiences this. I always have UC come up with the unread topics showing. And once again it showed all of the new topics except the new download. And that's happened to me numerous times. No big deal, of course, but I do have to check the download section for new things from time to time.
Jerry
Jerry, I'll investigate this to see if other users of the software on which UC is based have experienced a similar problem. Can't say that I have, though.
I'm glad you enjoyed! I think it's a nice enough piece too. I am trying to find if it has been recorded in its piano version to compare and see if it does indeed tail off......
I know yesterday's thread on Karnavicius's opera "Radvila" http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,6907.0.html (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,6907.0.html) was locked almost straightaway, but.... Can I draw attention to an aria from another of his operas, Grazina, which is available on youtube (see above). It is full-blown late-romantic and very very beautiful. His overture Ulalume (after Edgar Alan Poe) is similarly a true late-Romantic and very beautiful piece (and available to download on AMF). To me this bodes well for the likelihood that Radvila would be in the style that this Forum would appreciate (I have some excerpts on LP recorded by the Chicago-Lithuanian Opera Company* and so I can actually confirm this, though I can't post them up here due to house rules - they are also on AMF).
Incidentally, for those interested in history, "Radvila" is the Lithuanian variant of the name "Radziwiłł" - this opera is about Perkūnas Radziwiłł (1547–1603), one of the leaders of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and an important prince of the Holy Roman Empire.
(*Chicago and Illinois are home to a large Lithuanian emigre population)
Why was this blocked anyway?
Karnavicius falls well within our framework and his music is both folkloric and mostly romantic.
Maybe there has been a confusion re him and his son? The son has the same name and was born in 1912.
This is our policy:
Please do not post about composers or compositions which clearly fall outside our definition of "romantic". Your post will not be approved. If you are in any doubt, and in any event if the music was written after 1918, please email or PM a moderator before posting.
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,3681.0.html (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,3681.0.html)
In the case of music for which there is no evidence of its style, we must reluctantly refuse permission to post about it. What we need in respect of Karnavicius's opera "Radvila", therefore, is evidence before we can proceed. It would also help us if we were contacted first - as our guidelines set out.
My message simply announced the the impending broadcast of an opera by Karnavicius.
Christopher had sent a previous message about this composer which had been approved by you.
As I obviously had not heard the opera before it was broadcast how could I possibly be expected to " provide evidence" about it.
Besides, on the same day you accepted my notification of the Pingoud work.
Please explain!
QuoteAs I obviously had not heard the opera before it was broadcast how could I possibly be expected to " provide evidence" about it
You couldn't - but that's the whole point. In any case, you are neglecting the need to inform us before posting. That's the rule - otherwise we are in a continual battle to make guesses as to whether to allow particular posts. Now back to the topic of this thread, please...
If I upload a 4-minute aria from one of Karnavicius's other operas here, could people then take a view? It's from a youtube like that no longer works - I converted it to an mp3 4 years ago. It is Grazina's aria, from the opera Grazina, sung by Gražina Apanavičiūtė (soprano). It is unquestionably late-romantic in style. Or are you in unmovable mode Alan?
You could just use "send user" and message him the link as you should have done in the first place, yes?...
Just send the link to Alan, or semloh or me, Christopher. We'll take it from there as we have done quite a few times in the past..
Quote from: eschiss1 on Sunday 08 July 2018, 12:53
You could just use "send user" and message him the link as you should have done in the first place, yes?...
As who should have done in which first place Eric? A propos of what? I am referring to an mp3 version of a youtube link which I drew people's attention to in this thread on Monday 17 March 2014 at 00:11 (it's the first post in this thread). No one complained at that time that it was inappropriate, so this is somewhat going over ground already covered. The rules of this Forum are good, and the regular posters to this Forum as far as I can tell respect them. In return can they be accorded some respect, such that if they do post something it is most likely to abide by the rules of this Forum? Let's stop regarding their wish to share unsung pieces that they feel other members might appreciate as a nuisance, rather something to be grateful for. I for one am very grateful to Mikehopf for drawing my attention to Radvila Perkunas and I will endeavour to track the recording down. And will share it, if there are no copyright issues, with whomever is interested. Thank you Mike.
The aria from Karnavicius's opera Grazina can be heard here - https://www.pakartot.lt/album/lietuviu-kompozitoriu-operu-arijos (https://www.pakartot.lt/album/lietuviu-kompozitoriu-operu-arijos) - track 2. Track 3 is another opera from the same opera. I really hope that any rancour or stubbornness from this thread can be put aside and that you will enjoy it, it is truly a lovely piece.
(Patarkot is an official Lithuanian portal with all types of music on it - you can't download but you can listen in streaming, so rather like Spotify.)
https://www.pakartot.lt/album/lietuviu-kompozitoriu-operu-arijos/pirmoji-grazinos-arija-grazina-1-v2
On the subject of Lithuanian music, here's a two-minute belter of an aria by Tallat-Kelpša (1889-1949) (whose Overture on Themes from Lithuanian Folksongs I posted up on 17 January 2018 in Downloads) called "My Soul Rejoices Today ("Mano sieloj šiandien šventė") - also sung by Gražina Apanavičiūtė (as with the aria in the post above).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj3Hmk32DO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj3Hmk32DO8)
Let me be frank: the moderators actually have lives to live outside the forum, often with distractions which divert our attention from what's going on here. In my case at present it's coping with a 91-year old mother who has falls at home and is waiting for a knee operation. As a consequence I'm going to miss things. It's inevitable.
QuoteIn return can they be accorded some respect, such that if they do post something it is most likely to abide by the rules of this Forum?
I'm afraid experience tells us that this won't work. We must therefore respectfully ask members to continue to stick to the rules about consulting the moderators before posting about any unfamiliar music written post-1918; in this way all problems would be solved before they arose.
I have a similar family situation at the moment and I genuinely genuinely sympathise. On this issue, I am re-iterating that I posted about the aria in question 4 years ago and wasn't chastised for it then.
Understood, Christopher. I'm accessing the forum on my 'phone right now, but will go back and listen to the aria as soon as I get to my PC later this evening,
Now that I have heard them, on the question of the two arias from Karnavičius' Gražina there's no problem, both demonstrate a work of eastern European late-romanticism. Indeed, both have a rather haunting quality which I find rather attractive. So, no problem with Gražina, then. However, the issue there always is once one strays into the 20th century is that the style in which composers wrote can often change quite radically during their lives. Someone who wrote mellifluous, lyrical works in his youth could well be writing extremely spikey atonal music in his maturity. That's why it's dangerous (from a moderation point of view) to make assumptions based on just one work, and why we ask that you ask before posting if the work was written, for the want of a better date, after 1918 - I'm not going to get into the rights and wrongs of that issue again now. There doesn't seem to be much other music by Karnavičius out there to which we can listen to, so we're guessing. I take mikehopf's point that he couldn't provide evidence when he hadn't heard anything of Radvilla but, as Alan says, that's the point: if Mike had contacted one of the moderator's we could make the decision. The worst that would have happened in the event of a "no" would be that Mike would have emailed or PM'd Christopher direct. If Radvilla proved to be as attractive as Gražina seems to be then I for one would be very happy to admit to erring on the side of caution. :)
Policing a boundary is never easy and almost always unpopular. As moderators we do try to do this in as gentle and concensus-based a way as we can. So, in that spirit, can I ask that we now move on, please?
When all is said and done, Radvila turned out to be a most attractive romantic opera more like Moussorgsky and Dvorak than Szymanowski.
BTW, Christopher, I've got a complete recording of A. Kapp's oratorio "Job" if you want it.
QuoteRadvila turned out to be a most attractive romantic opera more like Moussorgsky and Dvorak than Szymanowski
Well that's good. Did you record it?
The only (as far as I know) CD of Karnavicius's music has now been put up on the Pakartot streaming website which I referenced above.
https://www.pakartot.lt/album/jurgis-karnavicius/ulalume2 (https://www.pakartot.lt/album/jurgis-karnavicius/ulalume2)
I think people might especially enjoy the "Ulalume" Overture (after Edgar Allan Poe) - track 1 - very late-romantic in style (written 1917). The other pieces are all chamber works, except track 11 "The Oval Portrait" Overture (also after Edgar Allan Poe) - though this is not as strong a work in my view (written 1927).
Is the CD available to purchase anywhere?
I know that the Lithuanian Music Information Centre (www.mic.lt (http://www.mic.lt)), which like Pakartot is also (quasi-)governmental, were once selling it. And I bought mine second-hand on discogs. But other than that I don't know anything about it. Mine is now in storage after I put the mp3 tracks on my itunes, otherwise I would offer to see if the booklet gives any more information.
Thanks. The CD can be ordered here:
http://www.mic.lt/en/database/classical/find-works/7620/ (http://www.mic.lt/en/database/classical/find-works/7620/)
btw IMSLP has his 2 early string quartets in G minor (score) and D minor (parts).
Hello all there. My name is Linas Paulauskis and I'm from Music Information Centre Lithuania (www.mic.lt). Thanks to Christopher for showing me this chat.
QuoteMaybe there has been a confusion re him and his son? The son has the same name and was born in 1912.
His son was not composer, but pianist and longtime rector of the Lithuanian State Conservatory (presently the Lithuanian Academy of Music and Theatre). Interestingly, his grandson is also a pianist, and his first name is Jurgis as well.
QuoteSomeone who wrote mellifluous, lyrical works in his youth could well be writing extremely spikey atonal music in his maturity.
Or does it happen more often the other way round? Think of Penderecki; even Arvo Pärt started from twelve-tone serialism. Speaking about Karnavicius, he didn't change his direction until the end of his life.
This discussion boosted some interest in the CD of Karnavicius' music, released by us. I only would like to warn those who will order or already ordered this CD: the English pronunciation of the singer who sings Six Romances to Percy Bysshe Shelley is sometimes awful. I personally didn't work with this CD, but my colleagues ended up in desperation: tell her whatever but prima donna knows better... sorry for that.
Thanks, Linas - and welcome to Unsung Composers. This is a good place to post information about any romantic-era Lithuanian music, especially recordings.
Hello Linas - it's great that you have joined. I'm glad to have introduced you. People on here will be interested to hear of recordings, broadcasts and performances of Romantic and Late-Romantic Lithuanian composers that they may not have heard of, or not know very well.
I know that Latvia and Estonia also have music information centres (lmic.lv and emic.ee respectively) - do you have contacts or cooperation with them? Perhaps they could also be persuaded to join and tell us about Romantic and Late-Romantic music coming out of their countries.
The symphonic poem Ulalume is certainly an atmospheric piece, almost uniformly gloomy in tone - as befits its programme. Much more interesting, I think, than Karnavicius' opera Radvila.
Mind you, the same gloom pervades the later symphonic poem The Oval Portrait, so there is a certain want of variety in evidence here.
I'm afraid that I found them both dreary and devoid of much musical interest. On present evidence (these two symphonic poems and Radvila), Karnavicius wasn't a major talent.
Agreed.
Goodness me chaps, I think we've got the message. Saying "agreed" really adds nothing, but I'll be surprised if Linas doesn't turn tail and run a mile from this Forum, which would be a shame.
Well, that's his choice. We post as we find. And Karnavicius' music, in our opinion, just doesn't measure up. Nevertheless, it would be good to read a reasoned defence of his music.
Perhaps there are some other Lithuanian composers who have something to offer...
The cause of promoting unjustly neglected composers isn't served by praising those whose music is justly neglected. I'm not putting Karnavicius into that category because I haven't heard enough of his music to judge its overall quality, I just haven't been impressed by what I've heard so far. In any event I speak only for myself - Alan and I happen to agree in this case but there's no "party line" and views to the contrary are always welcome.
Having just received my copy of this CD, I have tried to approach the music with an open mind, and I do try to find positives in any unsung repertoire, but this has left me stone cold - and indeed I could find nothing here that I would want to hear again unfortunately. I suppose that every now and again one comes across a real dud!...............
Having been away with my grandson, I was sorry to return and find that the discussion on this thread had become rather disharmonious.
I have absolutely no ear for opera, cantatas, or similar works, so I didn't download some of the works that seem to have sparked some of the debate. However, when it comes to Lithuanian music generally, I find it enjoyable and fascinating - and, of course, one is always on the lookout for works that one feels are unjustly unsung! I must say that The Oval Portrait and Ulalume of Karnavicius are rather gloomy, but then they are "after Edgar Allen Poe" - not exactly a fund of jollity - so I have no problem with them. They do lack colour, but at times I could hear faint echoes of Bridge's wonderful Suite The Sea. Quite apart from Cui and Ciurlionis, and modern Lithuanian composers outside UC's remit, I really enjoy the works of Gruodis. Anybody with me on that?
And, I am grateful to everyone who uploads music to UC, even when it's opera! ;D
As we know, Ciurlionis was a painter as well as a composer. There is currently an exhibition of his works at the Dulwich Picture Gallery:
https://www.dulwichpicturegallery.org.uk/whats-on/exhibitions/2022/september/mk-%C4%8Diurlionis-between-worlds/ (https://www.dulwichpicturegallery.org.uk/whats-on/exhibitions/2022/september/mk-%C4%8Diurlionis-between-worlds/)
M.K. Čiurlionis: Between Worlds
Discover Lithuania's best loved artist.
M.K. Čiurlionis: Between Worlds brings together over 100 works by the Lithuanian artist and celebrated composer Mikalojus Konstantinas Čiurlionis (1875-1911). Widely credited as Lithuania's greatest artist, the exhibition will feature paintings and drawings created throughout his short but prolific career, with most travelling to the UK for the first time.
M.K. Čiurlionis: Between Worlds will reveal how Čiurlionis used structure and colour to create works that travel between mythology and reality. The exhibition will highlight the breadth of Čiurlionis' interests, with a focus on humankind's relationship to the universe, and examine the themes and motifs that aligned his art to European Symbolism. Bringing together Čiurlionis' most accomplished masterpieces, including Creation of the World (1905/1906), The Zodiac (1906/1907) and Rex (1909), the Between Worlds exhibition will position him as a singular figure in the history of European art whose ethereal, and occasionally fantastical, works were precursors of abstract painting.
Čiurlionis left a profound imprint on Lithuanian culture and is among the country's most loved and famous historical figures – his paintings are widely reproduced and his music is often performed internationally.
(https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/https%3A%2F%2Fd1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net%2Fproduction%2F35056158-3996-4b1b-9d46-0062e8dcbfa9.png?dpr=1&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&source=next&width=1260)
And a review in the FT - https://www.ft.com/content/740602fc-5531-4124-9381-67926901a93d?shareType=nongift (https://www.ft.com/content/740602fc-5531-4124-9381-67926901a93d?shareType=nongift) -
MK Čiurlionis at Dulwich Picture Gallery: a spotlight on a Lithuanian artist-hero
Exploring nature and pagan mythology, he receives his first UK retrospective more than a century after his death - SEPTEMBER 22 2022
Thanks for this interesting notification, but let's confine ourselves from here on to discussion of his music.
The thing is that with Ciurlionis, you can't really separate the two: music works cover images from his paintings, and vice versa. A rather unique case in that regard. And one of which I've grown rather fond.
So, next time I listen to his music I've got to look at a painting of his? First time I've heard that! Next we'll be mandating light shows to accompany Scriabin...
If someone produced the paintings that inspired Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition I bet you'd have a look... I certainly would!
If you decide to consider the music and only the music, then that is of course entirely up to you, even though, in the case of Čiurlionis, you might be disregarding the cross-influences of music and painting that contributed to who he was.
If who he was is of no interest and only the music counts, OK, but then that is surely equally true for all composers discussed on this forum. Taken to its logical(?) conclusion this would mean that we should not be interested in any biographical aspects such as nation, gender, upbringing etc.
In fact, blindfold tests a bit like the ones Leonard Feather did (https://www.lib.uidaho.edu/digital/blindfold/about.html) with jazz musicians in Downbeat magazine could be really interesting for raising awareness of unsung composers' music and testing reactions...
I think Alan was only concerned that the thread didn't branch off onto a consideration of Ciurlionis' paintings instead of making the music the main topic. Certainly, where the two aspects of his art are intertwined or interdependent then it would be appropriate to consider the painting, especially if it were to throw light on a specific composition, but we should be careful not to get sidetracked. (And, just by the by, I would be fascinated to attend a performance of Scriabin's "Prometheus" with the light keyboard that he envisioned. I don't know whether it would enhance my appreciation of the music, but then I can't know until I experience it!)
And as for Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition", I'm so tired of hearing that piece played over and over again on the radio that I would find it refreshing to look at the pictures WITHOUT the music.
Gareth is right. I'm simply concerned that we discuss the music here and don't get sidetracked into debates on the other arts.
I agree, Gareth's put it very well.