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Title: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: Christianv12 on Friday 11 April 2014, 12:51
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA68043 (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA68043)




Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: FBerwald on Friday 11 April 2014, 15:11
Wow. Hyperion finally fulfilled one of my wishes! The only thing missing is the Fantaisie Persane, but since Dutton beat them to these gems first, who's complaining!!! :D
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 11 April 2014, 16:12
Both PCs are, of course, already available on Dutton. However, this'll be a handy package no doubt.
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 11 April 2014, 18:45
And Howard Shelley rarely disappoints.
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: TerraEpon on Friday 11 April 2014, 22:27
If they are as good as the VCs, I'll be all over this...
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: FBerwald on Friday 11 April 2014, 22:45
They are!!!
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: FBerwald on Sunday 06 July 2014, 19:29
Has anyone heard this recording?
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: TerraEpon on Sunday 06 July 2014, 20:39
I listened to the free track and was immediately floored by the catchy melody and just general organic writing. The rest of the samples on Hyperion's website seem similarly great.
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 07 July 2014, 07:59
It's the 2nd PC that's the really interesting piece - it almost morphs into Rachmaninov at several points. I can't believe the great Russian didn't know it...
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: FBerwald on Monday 07 July 2014, 11:15
I find the 2nd Concerto intro on the low piano quite fascinating.
Is it just me or would these concertos gain from a greater string section? The beginning of the 1st concerto almost has me wishing that the strings would be greater in number.
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 07 July 2014, 14:05
Is the Dutton recording any better in the string department?
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: FBerwald on Monday 07 July 2014, 16:50
Not so much. The orchestra seems more intimate in the Hyperion version [in the Dutton version the orchestra seems to be placed far away from the microphones].
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: musiclover on Wednesday 16 July 2014, 08:25
The Dutton wins hands down for me. I know Shelley is a name and Victor Sangiorgio is not, but Sangiorgio brings a much more French approach to the works than Shelley. The Dutton recording is in my opinion much more taking a nod from the French style of performing where as the Hyperion performances make the works sound German to me.
I also think the interplay between soloist and orchestra is better in the Dutton version and Victor Sangiorgio and Martin Yates make the two shorter concertante works sound such fun. Then there is the missing Persian Fantasy on the Hyperion issue....I bought the hyperion in order to have a complete set of RPCs....but this recording will not, for me, replace my treasured set from Dutton.
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: FBerwald on Wednesday 16 July 2014, 10:17
I agree with musiclover about the german/french sounding aspect, but isn't Godard's music more germanic than french ;) . I know I might be opening a can of worms here! These concerti, other than the scherzo movements, sound pretty germanic to me!
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 16 July 2014, 16:57
I think the French/German dichotomy is a vast oversimplification. As with Saint-Saens, Godard's music is surely a mixture of various influences. Like many composers working from the 1870s onwards, Godard drew upon both the classical tradition (e.g. Mendelssohn/Schumann) and contemporary innovators such as Liszt. The result is a synthesis which, depending on the performance, can be made to sound heavier (more 'Germanic') or lighter (more 'French').

Something similar can be said of, for example, Dvorak. His music has elements of classicism, the New German tendency (and also nationalism, of course). Accordingly, different performances will bring out these differing streams in different ways. Some will sound more heavily Germanic, some will bring out the elements of Czech nationalism and others will emphasise the classical heritage. The best, of course, will do all three...
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: FBerwald on Wednesday 16 July 2014, 17:21
Right on the spot Alan!
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 16 July 2014, 17:40
I'm glad it made sense...
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: musiclover on Wednesday 16 July 2014, 19:38
I agree with Alan, so for me it is the lightness of handling I prefer on the Dutton set. There appears to be something rather "elusive" when performing French music that doesn't quite seem to be quite the same when performing German music. Maybe it helps when the performers have been more involved in French music in the way Yates has and I believe Sangiorgio too. I say that with some trepidation because I think that both hose performers are so able in a variety of repertoire and I am sure they would hate to think of themselves as better at one style of music than an other! If they read these posts.....no offence meant boys!
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: FBerwald on Thursday 17 July 2014, 06:32
None taken! I do agree with the lightness part, but I feel that the Shelley's version has a certain something [sorry ... I can't find the right word!] a sort of "feroce" perhaps!
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: JimL on Thursday 17 July 2014, 18:03
I'm wondering why no key is given for the 2nd concerto?  IMSLP has the score and it's in G minor.
Title: Re: The Romantic Piano Concerto, Vol. 63 – Godard
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 17 July 2014, 19:10
QuoteI'm wondering why no key is given for the 2nd concerto

The Hyperion release gives the correct key on the reverse of the booklet; the Dutton gives the key within the notes themselves.