...due out at the end of the month:
http://www.mdt.co.uk/fibich-zdenek-orchestral-works-vol-symphony-orchestra-marek-stilec-naxos.html (http://www.mdt.co.uk/fibich-zdenek-orchestral-works-vol-symphony-orchestra-marek-stilec-naxos.html)
I never understood why Fibich is so much less known than dvorak and smetana, his symphonies are outstanding.
Does anyone know these tone poems and can compare them to Ma vlást and the Dvorak symphonic poems?
ewk
Actually the wiki article very clearly explains why Fibich is obscure in comparison to Dvorak and Smetana. I really like his orchestral music. Pity he never wrote a concerto.
QuoteI never understood why Fibich is so much less known than Dvorak and Smetana, his symphonies are outstanding
...briefly put, I'd say that both Dvorak's and Smetana's best music was more memorable thematically than Fibich's best. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't hear his music far more often than we do.
The situation re the symphonic poems is summed up by the public reactions to their respective symphonies. ABC radio (Australian) is always running those popularity contests for types of classical music, and the most popular symphony is Dvorak's 9th. It has remained a favourite symphony for generations, and there is nothing to match it in Fibich's output. Much the same can be said about the "American" string quartet, and so much of Dvorak's chamber music. Although I love Fibich, I think we are talking about two composers who are poles apart in terms of musical genius. Comparing Fibich to Dvorak is just so unfair on Fibich! :)
Nothing to match in Fibich's output? What about Poem? Granted, it's in a smaller scale but it's equally memorable. I would also like to point out that while Dvorak wrote in a nationalistic idiom, Fibich was mainly Germanic, despite being the 1st person to introduce a polka in a quartet. I don't know much about the piano music of Fibich [perhaps someone here who's a bit familiar with the huge cycle, can shed some light on it!].
Fibich is Fibich and not Dvorak. If we start comparing then its the same as comparing Dvorak with Brahms; or Brahms with Herzogenberg or Fuchs. Give each composer a fair hearing [if you have the time :D]
Among Fibich's tone poems I would rank high Toman and the Wood Nymph (which begins with a shrewd use of a well known Schubert's theme). I know it from an Aulos label Cd (M.Turnovsky, Bamberger Sym.) . Among the others I know The Storm and Spring. The Third Naxos Fibich orchestral CD is for me on paper very interesting (I gather there will be EIGHT Naxos Cds of Fibich orchestral works).
QuoteIf we start comparing...
Problem is, we were asked to account for the fact that Fibich is less well known than Dvorak and Smetana - so comparisons are unavoidable. But that doesn't mean that his music shouldn't be played - quite the reverse!
Yes, totally agree, Alan.
And, while I didn't start the comparison off, it is an inevitable one, and is a useful example of the challenge to explain why some composers have a higher profile than others. Although, as I said, I enjoy Fibich's music, perhaps the best we can say is that a couple of his compositions might compare favourably with similar works by Dvorak, but that's about all. I admit that am a complete sucker for Dvorak's piano music - I love it!
Once again, all I can say is that comparing Fibich to most other composers would reflect well on him, but comparing him to Dvorak is giving him almost no chance!
It reminds me of that story about the music sent into space on Voyager - was it Carl Sagan who said that sending one of Bach's Brandenburg Concertos was "just showing off!". I would have said the same about sending a number of Dvorak pieces. ;D
Has anyone had a chance to listen to this new recording yet?
]http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/orchestral-works-vol-3fibich/] (http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/orchestral-works-vol-3fibich/)
I've had the opportunity to listen and also review for my blog. Overall I found it most pleasant. His "Othello" I rank as a good one. Why he didn't achieve the popularity of Dvorak I'm sure had to do with promotion. I think coming to America created a huge following.
Tom
QuoteWhy he didn't achieve the popularity of Dvorak I'm sure had to do with promotion
Possibly. But he wasn't as great a composer as his older compatriot...
Perhaps Alan as his ideas were definitely structured and in the box as we might say today. But definitely there is merit.
Tom
Oh, his ideas have more than merit. He's a fine composer.
Yet as you stated there is something that is missing from his works that make him a fine composer and not a great one.
Tom
This is going to be true of something on the order of 99.999944% of all composers, if one takes the statement literally and as-said...
Quite, Eric.
Fibich is a very fine and worthwhile composer whose works should be heard; but Dvorak belongs to the ranks of the very great. That's simply reality - and we do a disservice to both composers to claim otherwise.
I've added an audio track to the Fibich review which is fine with Naxos providing I'm including it in talking about there material. Perhaps this will introduce you to his style and orchestration.
Tom
http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/orchestral-works-vol-3fibich/ (http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2014/08/01/orchestral-works-vol-3fibich/)
http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2014/08/16/symphony-no-1fibich/ (http://sdtom.wordpress.com/2014/08/16/symphony-no-1fibich/)
My third and final review of the Naxos/Fibich series of newer recordings. I was quite pleased with the recording.
Tom
The person who came closest to summing up, for me, the sense that while we really enjoyed playing the quintet, it just wasn't, say, the Schumann, was the violinist, who remarked "He just doesn't have a dark side, does he?"
The Schumann contains flashes of an almost heartbreaking quality in the midst of its rejoicing, while the Fibich is a long and passionate love song from one end to the other.
Great horn part, though.
i'll have to seek out the quintet
Tom
I've heard the piano quintet, I think, but not his other chamber works yet (2 string quartets, a piano quartet, e.g.) though they have been recorded...
Received the Chandos recording of the third symphony of Fibich. As I type I'm having a listen. It seems to be a bit darker than the others.
Tom