Might be that you already heard this, but apparently Moscheles' 8th piano concerto has been orchestrated by Ian Hobson (who also recorded the rest of them), and will be released next year. It was new to me, and I'm really looking forward to this release!
I'm wondering if any other piano & orchestra works of Moscheles remain unrecorded...
I have a few scores in solo or full format that I expect have not been recorded, but I might be wrong.
Fantasy Variations & Finale Op.46
March Alexandre Op.32
Souvenirs de Danemarc Op.83
Fantasy on Strains of the Scottish Bards Op.80
Fantasy et Variations Au Clair de la Lune Op.50
I have not been through Pazdirek, but I expect there are more.
Great news about the 8th.
Thal
Quote from: thalbergmad on Friday 18 June 2010, 15:23
I have a few scores in solo or full format that I expect have not been recorded, but I might be wrong.
Fantasy Variations & Finale Op.46
March Alexandre Op.32
Souvenirs de Danemarc Op.83
Fantasy on Strains of the Scottish Bards Op.80
Fantasy et Variations Au Clair de la Lune Op.50
Thanks! Hobson already recorded the op.32 & op.50 variations for piano & orchestra, and the new disc will probably also bring us, next to the 7th & 8th concertos, 2 other works. Hopefully the op.80 & op.83 from your list, since we already have the Ireland & Scotland fantasies on Hyperion.
The op.46 I only know as chamber work for piano, violin, cello & clarinet, in its 2 recordings on MD+G & Wigmora Hall Live. Not a masterwork, but very listenable. Is it orchestrated, then, as well?
Thanks so much, I was not aware of those recordings and I love Moscheles.
You are correct about the Op.46. Not for the first time in my life, I have filed something in the wrong place.
I thought I had found another work, but Grand Variations on the fall of Paris, appears to be exactly the same as March Alexandre, but published by different publishers.
One wonders what 19th Century skulduggery was afoot here??
Thal
What is interesting about Moscheles 8th piano concerto 'The Pastoral', is how many people who should know better have written knowledgeably about it with only the piano part in existence and that in need of editing and seen by few. Nuff said !!!
I am often asked about a recording of Moscheles's piano concerto 8 since I list it in my online discography of piano-and-orchestra works. It is true that Ian Hobson has recorded the work in his own orchestration (since the orchestral part is lost) and it will come out on CD. Those who can't wait can hear a mono-only live performance broadcast of this at <http://www.archive.org/details/PrairiePerformances05-24-09>. The Moscheles is right after the Mendelssohn in this 3-hour broadcast. Enjoy.
One of my favorite pieces by Moscheles is his Concertante in (F?) for flute, oboe and orchestra and I don't have the opus number here. There was a commercial recording of it that was quite blah but I have a transfer from a Mn. Public Radio broadcast of a performance some years ago by the Mn. Orchestra with the principal flute and oboe doing the solo parts. I was there and it was a stunning performance. My biggest disappointment is that they've never repeated it.....
Quote from: jerfilm on Friday 17 September 2010, 20:08
One of my favorite pieces by Moscheles is his Concertante in (F?) for flute, oboe and orchestra and I don't have the opus number here. There was a commercial recording of it that was quite blah but I have a transfer from a Mn. Public Radio broadcast of a performance some years ago by the Mn. Orchestra with the principal flute and oboe doing the solo parts. I was there and it was a stunning performance. My biggest disappointment is that they've never repeated it.....
There are too many commercial recordings of this rather uninteresting piece, I myself have four. Which one are you referring to? I probably should've heard the radio broadcast you're so enthusiastic about - perhaps it would trigger my interest in the piece more.
Listened to the performance of the 'Pastoral' Concerto today. Interesting work, but I'd have to hear it more often to really assimilate it fully. It would appear that Moscheles intended it for reduced orchestral forces (as his in his 1st Concerto) and that he connected the movements (as in his 6th). Sounds like he truncated the 1st movement, too, although, as I said, I'd need to hear it more often to tell exactly at which point. Is there any way to separate out the Moscheles from the rest of the broadcast, or would I have to upload the whole thing?
BTW, great performance of the Mendelssohn PC 1!
Kriton, my original post about the Concertante gives about all the information there is to give about the radio broadcast. It was probably 20 years ago and was one of the Friday night Minnesota Orchestra concerts broadcast weeklu by National Public Radio in collaboration with Minnesota Public Radio. The CD I have, I can't tell you which one as I'm in Colorado at the moment and my collection and computer database are a thoiusand miles away in Minnesota. If you'd like a copy of the broadcast, I'd be happy to make you one when I get home.
Again, I wish we had a place here to upload stuff like this.....
BTW, if anyone has the movement titles of the "Pastoral" Concerto available, I'd much appreciate it.
Quote from: JimL on Sunday 19 September 2010, 23:41
BTW, if anyone has the movement titles of the "Pastoral" Concerto available, I'd much appreciate it.
There is a hint in the preview at Google Books of
Recent Music and Musicians; As Described in the Diaries and Correspondence of Ignatz Moscheles ed. by Charlotte Moscheles that the movement listing sought,
might be on one of the un-previewable pages (available at libraries or by purchasing the whole book, of course), in the list of Moscheles' works at the end of the book. See http://books.google.com/books?id=Nj4mQJHsdLoC (http://books.google.com/books?id=Nj4mQJHsdLoC) and search for Pastoral - it's page 297 I'm thinking of, one of the last 'hits'.
Eric
There has also been a dissertation on Moscheles' larger-scale piano music (sonatas, concertos, etc.) - Ingebord Heussner's Ignaz Moscheles in seinen Klavier-Sonaten, Kammermusikwerken, und -Konzerten (U. of Marburg, 1963, mentioned in Lindeman's Structural novelty and tradition in the early romantic piano concerto .) I don't doubt that he has the answer- of course, the Hyperion recording probably will too. All this says unfortunately is that the answer is available in principle, and unless someone can access the Heussner dissertation sooner than the Hyperion recording is released, I'm not that sure why I'm mentioning it, though it might have other uses at other times :) (I haven't seen it, though.)
(Also, of course, if anyone has a copy of Moscheles' own Thematisches Verzeichniss im Druck erschienener Compositionen that might solve the problem right there- it was published after he made the 1875 revision to the 1838 Concerto pastoral, even.)
Eric
I doubt Moscheles made any revisions in 1875. I believe he'd been dead for 5 years at that point. And I think that Hyperion won't be getting their hands on this one before Ian Hobson records the Pastoral Concerto on Zephyr. It's his own label, after all.
Quote from: JimL on Monday 20 September 2010, 05:53
I doubt Moscheles made any revisions in 1875. I believe he'd been dead for 5 years at that point. And I think that Hyperion won't be getting their hands on this one before Ian Hobson records the Pastoral Concerto on Zephyr. It's his own label, after all.
*recovers his mind as it rolls down the street* right. oops. can I say 'brainfart'ed on this forum or is that outside of the decency regulations? :( Ow! Anyhow. Thanks.
Quote from: JimL on Sunday 19 September 2010, 23:41
BTW, if anyone has the movement titles of the "Pastoral" Concerto available, I'd much appreciate it.
Andantino con moto, adagio & allegro non troppo.
Thal
Has the recording of Moscheles Piano Concerto No.8 with orchestration by Ian Hobson been released yet?
Hrm. How good is Zephyr Records at promoting releases in preparation, I wonder - I don't know, anyway. I don't think it's out yet...
Quote from: eschiss1 on Sunday 03 July 2011, 17:26
Hrm. How good is Zephyr Records at promoting releases in preparation, I wonder - I don't know, anyway. I don't think it's out yet...
The Hobson recording of Moscheles's piano concerto 8 in now available as an mp3 download from amazon.com and iTunes.
The Concerto has somehow been "leaked", or is this the Official release?. Check the link...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OzHF20zUL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
http://www.amazon.com/Concerto-No-Pastorale-major-Opus/dp/B00889R59E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1338864314&sr=8-2 (http://www.amazon.com/Concerto-No-Pastorale-major-Opus/dp/B00889R59E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1338864314&sr=8-2)
Quote from: herrarte on Tuesday 05 June 2012, 00:25
The Concerto has somehow been "leaked", or is this the Official release?. Check the link...
The CD release seems not to be available yet, but the mp3 of Concerto 8 (broken down into 5 tracks) is of the "official" recording (i.e., not the in-concert performance mentioned earlier). I think the new recording presents the work in a much better light. We owe Hobson our sincere gratitude for reconstructing the orchestral part of this score and allowing us to hear it.
Here's the link to purchase and download from emusic.
http://www.emusic.com/listen/#/album/ian-hobson/moscheles-volume-4-piano-concertos-7-and-8-sonata-in-e-maj/13434089/?hashsignal=true (http://www.emusic.com/listen/#/album/ian-hobson/moscheles-volume-4-piano-concertos-7-and-8-sonata-in-e-maj/13434089/?hashsignal=true)
With the Mehul success, the CD shopping list is down to five.
This is one of them, but I am unsure as to whether this was ever actually issued as a CD. Does anybody know, and,if they do, any ideas on how to purchase it,please?
It certainly was issued as a CD and I have a copy of it. But I can't tell you where I bought it now; it is so long ago. Sorry. You could try searching discogs.com (http://discogs.com) - and you can put a "want" on there if you open an account (you probably know that already).
It was certainly issued as a CD, but it's long gone. It can be downloaded here:
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8038508--ignaz-moscheles-piano-concertos-volume-4
Thanks for this information. I have indeed been looking for it on discogs, and will continue my search !
fwiw, also streams on Amazon (search Moscheles concerto 96) . It seems to have 5 tracks, not 3?... tracks 4-8 of the recording (Andantino con moto, Allegretto, Adagio, Allegretto, Allegro con moto.)