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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: sdtom on Monday 23 February 2015, 19:40

Title: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Monday 23 February 2015, 19:40
Received a new recording from CPO of works by Witt and Hoffmann. It could very well have been released earlier in Europe. Not too familiar with either composer I found Undine overture of Hoffmann and the Symphony in A of Witt to be the most interesting to me.
Tom
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 24 February 2015, 16:28
The Symphony in A by Witt is available on a splendid new CD from Naxos:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Witt-Symphony-Patrick-Gallois-8-572089/dp/B003RCFCV0/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1424795243&sr=1-3&keywords=witt (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Witt-Symphony-Patrick-Gallois-8-572089/dp/B003RCFCV0/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1424795243&sr=1-3&keywords=witt)
I think an all-Witt CD makes more sense...
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: TerraEpon on Tuesday 24 February 2015, 20:29
That CD is hardly 'new'. It's from 2010.

It's a great CD though.
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 24 February 2015, 20:56
Thanks for that correction.
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 24 February 2015, 23:08
There's a CD on Orfeo, I think?, of two Witt symphonies (nos. 6 and 9 of at least 15?) that came out some time back.  Witt may be best-known for a symphony that received more performances when it had Beethoven's name attached, but which remarkably became, by the alchemy of such things, a rather worse piece when it was discovered it was by Witt (the Jena Symphonie).
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 25 February 2015, 15:48
Quote from: TerraEpon on Tuesday 24 February 2015, 20:29
That CD is hardly 'new'. It's from 2010.

It's a great CD though.

I think we're talking about a different recording. My liner notes indicate it was recorded in January of 2014. Could there be another recording?
Tom :)
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 25 February 2015, 16:07
Quote from: sdtom on Monday 23 February 2015, 19:40
Received a new recording from CPO of works by Witt and Hoffmann. It could very well have been released earlier in Europe. Not too familiar with either composer I found Undine overture of Hoffmann and the Symphony in A of Witt to be the most interesting to me.
Tom

The choice of using Hoffmann I too thought was a bit odd until I did further reading. Hoffmann among many talents wrote reviews and his first two were the symphony in a major and the jena symphony of Witt. Apparently Bamberg is close to Niederstetten and while they never met they knew of each other. There is a tie in. Both composers were of the Haydn school.
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 25 February 2015, 18:55
The Naxos recording is from 2010; the cpo is new. Apologies for having thought the Naxos was new too.
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 25 February 2015, 21:02
No apologies necessary.
Tom
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 25 February 2015, 22:29
I've had a listen to the Naxos and the CPO recordings and I definitely prefer the Naxos recording. The sound is brighter with more detailed revealed and Gallois seems to have a better understanding of the work. I think they could have chosen another filler piece perhaps an all Hoffmann CD.
Tom
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Saturday 28 February 2015, 13:18
http://www.radioswissclassic.ch/en/musicians/cd/10036636bf62ab3341ef42660811dfe6cf137a8 (http://www.radioswissclassic.ch/en/musicians/cd/10036636bf62ab3341ef42660811dfe6cf137a8)

Does anyone have any experience with this recording of Witt on the Gold label?
Tom :)
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 28 February 2015, 13:31
The label's MDG, Tom. I have the CD, but haven't listened to it for ages...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Barner-Hamburger-Symphoniker-Witt/dp/B00092ZBH6/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1425130251&sr=1-1&keywords=witt (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Barner-Hamburger-Symphoniker-Witt/dp/B00092ZBH6/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1425130251&sr=1-1&keywords=witt)
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Saturday 28 February 2015, 14:45
I had a listen to it on utube and enjoyed it poor sound and all. I may just get it. Thanks for the info Alan
Tom
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Saturday 28 February 2015, 21:54
https://sdtom.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/symphony-in-a-majorfriedrich-witt/ (https://sdtom.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/symphony-in-a-majorfriedrich-witt/)

My take on a most neglected work.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 04 March 2015, 01:07
I'm now going to tackle the Hoffmann part of the CD. It includes his eflat major symphony and two opera overtures.
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 04 March 2015, 21:18
Has anyone ever read the reviews Hoffmann did of some of Beethoven's work. I understand there was a book printed of his reviews.
Tom
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 04 March 2015, 21:43
Here's the review of Beethoven's 5th symphony, in German.

http://85.214.96.74:8080/zbk/zbk-html/A1094.html (http://85.214.96.74:8080/zbk/zbk-html/A1094.html)

("Hoffmann, Ernst Theodor Amadeus: Rezension der 5. Symphonie von Ludwig van Beethoven. In Allgemeine musikalische Zeitung 12 (1810), Nr. 40, Sp. 630–642 u. Nr. 41, Sp. 652–659.")
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Thursday 05 March 2015, 19:09
 E.T.A. Hoffmann's Writings on Music, Collected in a Single Volume (2004).

This was the book I was talking about. My Minneapolis library doesn't have it. Wish I could read German.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 05 March 2015, 19:19
Available on Amazon.co.uk here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hoffmanns-Musical-Writings-Kreisleriana-Criticism/dp/0521543398/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425583039&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=E.T.A.+Hoffmann%27s+Writings+on+Music%2C+Collected+in+a+Single+Volume (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hoffmanns-Musical-Writings-Kreisleriana-Criticism/dp/0521543398/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425583039&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=E.T.A.+Hoffmann%27s+Writings+on+Music%2C+Collected+in+a+Single+Volume)
It's not cheap though!
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Thursday 05 March 2015, 19:25
Will check it out and decide if it is worth the investment. Thanks for the info.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 05 March 2015, 23:36
My public library does (restricted in various ways, depending- no CDs, only certain participating libraries,...) out-of-system interloans (through Worldcat searches)- maybe yours does too? Might be possible for you to borrow it instead of buy it... the 2003 edition (it's originally from 1989) has OCLC 52783394 , most of the 1989 ones are either out-of-country or Internet Resources and probably not ILL-able from within the US by a public library (I'm guessing) so I'd give a go to that last OCLC...
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Friday 06 March 2015, 14:42
My curiosity is the driving force in this but I'm going to follow up on this for sure.
Tom
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: adriano on Saturday 07 March 2015, 23:32
E. T. A. Hoffmann was not only a composer and musicologist, but - in first line - one of Germany's greatest Romantic/Fantastic/Grotesque writers! His novels inspired Offenbach, Lortzing, Templeton Strong, Tchaikovsky, Busoni etc. etc. For his own opera "Undine" he did not write a libretto himself, but commissioned Friedrich de la Motte Fouqué, one of Germany's very first Romantic poets. Hoffmann's music is, actually, less crazy and hauting than his novels! There is a (German) Kindle edition of his study on Beethoven (only 9 pages):
http://www.amazon.de/Beethovens-Instrumentalmusik-E-T-Hoffmann-ebook/dp/B0057H0WCW/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425771006&sr=1-2&keywords=e.+t.+a.+hoffmann+music
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: sdtom on Sunday 08 March 2015, 15:57
Hoffmann was quite the talent. I always thought that Poe's "Murder in the Rue Morgue" was at least by some to be the first detective story until I found out that "Madame de Scudery" may have influenced him in his writing as well as "Fantasy, Irony, and the Grotesque." Would like to read some of his work.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Witt and Hoffmann from CPO
Post by: adriano on Sunday 08 March 2015, 16:16
@sdtom
If you search for English translations, have a look at:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/31377/31377-h/31377-h.htm (http://www.gutenberg.org/files/31377/31377-h/31377-h.htm)
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/h/hoffmann/eta/scuderi/ (https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/h/hoffmann/eta/scuderi/)