Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: sdtom on Thursday 23 June 2016, 22:54

Title: Unsung Grieg
Post by: sdtom on Thursday 23 June 2016, 22:54
I've been listening to Grieg's only symphony in C minor and have found it intriguing although there are some who disagree.
Tom :)
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 24 June 2016, 00:06
I've always thought it a delightful work in every way. The main criticism seems to be that it is early and therefore uncharacteristic of the mature Grieg, but frankly I think the best approach is to take it on its own terms.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: Ilja on Friday 24 June 2016, 10:19
Agreed. The symphony has taken a lot of undue flak, which it does not deserve. It is of course very much of its time and, perhaps unusually so for Grieg, of its (geographical) area: you can see how it occupies the same world as the Svendsen (which so intimidated Grieg), 2nd Winter-Hjelm, Heise, Byström and Norman symphonies. Having said that, to me it feels decidedly more "muscular" than either of those.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 24 June 2016, 13:36
Not more muscular than, say, Norman's 3rd, surely - or either of Svendsen's symphonies. But I agree about the others.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: mbhaub on Friday 24 June 2016, 19:36
Remember the uproar when that first recording came out? Grieg never wanted it to be performed, but oh well, it was a nice revelation and sure added to our knowledge of the composer. But can anyone explain how this symphony is not in the PD in the US? The manuscript is online. The composer has been dead longer than needed for copyright. I can understand the published, nicely typeset version being under copyright, but not the original. What's to stop someone from creating their own performing edition from the MS? It would be a nice addition to the repertoire of amateur and semi-professional orchestras, but rental fees put a damper on that.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: cypressdome on Friday 24 June 2016, 22:27
In regard to the copyright status of Grieg's manuscript for his symphony I ran into that bizarre aspect of U.S. copyright law when posting the manuscript of Mahler's Piano Quartet on IMSLP (http://imslp.org/wiki/Piano_Quartet_(Mahler,_Gustav)).  The chief copyright reviewer there explained it in this thread (http://imslp.org/index.php?title=Special:WikiForum&thread=437) in which he states: "Because under US law until 2003, an unpublished work - even of an author dead for hundreds of years - was subject to common law copyright (basically a perpetual copyright) until first publication, at which point the clock started running on the work itself, not just the edition thereof."  Fortunately, as of Jan. 1, 2003 all unpublished works of authors who died over 70 years ago entered the public domain in the U.S.  Considering how copyright law in the U.S. is all about the money that was at least a bit of luck.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: sdtom on Friday 24 June 2016, 22:49
I've never heard it performed in concert
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: chill319 on Friday 24 June 2016, 23:41
Quote...but frankly I think the best approach is to take it on its own terms.

The very essence of what approaching unsung composers is about!
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: sdtom on Saturday 25 June 2016, 22:41
do you remember the first recording? I can't but I remember having an LP and listening to it over and over commenting on why the San Diego Symphony never played it.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 26 June 2016, 18:14
The first recording was with Karsten Andersen and the Bergen Symphony Orchestra.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: sdtom on Sunday 26 June 2016, 20:22
do you remember what label?
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: mbhaub on Sunday 26 June 2016, 21:13
It was on London (Decca in Europe) and was an early example of digital recording. You can get it on CD on the Decca Eloquence label from Australia. It's coupled with a marvelous reading of Goldmark's Rustic Wedding Symphony from Lopez-Cobos and the LA Philharmonic.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 26 June 2016, 21:50
Also available as an MP3 download on Amazon UK
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Grieg-Symphony-Goldmark-Australian-Eloquence/dp/B00P56ELF4/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1466974046&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=Grieg+Decca+Eloquence (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Grieg-Symphony-Goldmark-Australian-Eloquence/dp/B00P56ELF4/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1466974046&sr=1-2-catcorr&keywords=Grieg+Decca+Eloquence)
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: sdtom on Wednesday 29 June 2016, 01:04
Did it come out on digital as a premiere recording?
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 29 June 2016, 07:43
Yes.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: sdtom on Sunday 03 July 2016, 17:25
I remember being impressed although my friends said that he had no business writing a symphony. I enjoy it today.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 04 July 2016, 05:42
Not knowing anything about your friends' musical tastes or the quality of their judgment otherwise [].

Remember that Grieg certainly esteemed the work enough to have published _part_ of it fairly soon after composition (the inner movements, maybe the best part), in piano duet reduced form; it's not as though he threw the whole thing in a locked drawer and threw away the key, leaving all four movements to be discovered only posthumously...
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: JimL on Tuesday 05 July 2016, 15:18
He just got discouraged after hearing Svendsen's 1st Symphony and decided that he couldn't live up to that standard.  Probably harsh self-criticism (with a dash of relief that nobody would be looking to HIM to compose more symphonies).
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: sdtom on Tuesday 05 July 2016, 15:22
you probably hit the nail on the head jim.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 05 July 2016, 20:21
Which, fortunately, did not prevent him from writing both a string quartet and a cello sonata that can hold their heads high, on melodic and formal grounds.
Title: Re: Unsung Grieg
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 05 July 2016, 21:47
..and the great 3rd Violin Sonata.