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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Thursday 22 November 2018, 17:14

Title: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 22 November 2018, 17:14
...can be found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9JzlFIaW2A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9JzlFIaW2A)

And here's the new DVD of the US premiere:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Alma-Deutscher-Cinderella/dp/B07GRLPLP5/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1542906846&sr=8-4&keywords=alma+deutscher+cinderella (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Alma-Deutscher-Cinderella/dp/B07GRLPLP5/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1542906846&sr=8-4&keywords=alma+deutscher+cinderella)

Try the final 15 minutes or so: they're quite something!
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Thursday 22 November 2018, 17:52
I'm sorry. The final 15 minutes did nothing for me - it's just pastiche. And SO saccharine. It was also preceded by a monumentally pedestrian organ solo which I feared would never end. I think I shall keep out of discussions of Alma Deutscher's work in future - I am clearly a grump when it comes to this young lady's music, and will only make myself unpopular.
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 22 November 2018, 17:56
Oh dear: my sweet tooth, I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 22 November 2018, 18:18
Well, each to his own. Whilst I'll sincerely applaud her prodigious precosity, I'm pretty much immune to the charms of Miss Deutscher's music itself, I'm afraid.  It's far too derivative and the anachronistic mixture of styles jars, but that's hardly surprising as she's still only a child after all. I do hope that she's able to develop for a few years out of the limelight, but perhaps that's too much to hope for.
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 22 November 2018, 20:13
As you saw, I'm not immune - while acknowledging the caveats and objections, of course.
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: semloh on Thursday 29 November 2018, 23:50
Me too, Alan.
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: matesic on Sunday 02 December 2018, 08:16
I think I must be a very bad person (but I don't have a heart of stone..)
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 02 December 2018, 09:26
In this context Oscar Wilde's remark to Ada Leverson about Dickens' The Old Curiosity Shop comes to mind: "One must have a heart of stone to read the death of Little Nell without laughing."
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 02 December 2018, 12:47
Oh, bravo!!  :D
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 02 December 2018, 14:03
Well, I didn't laugh at Alma's opera. I was moved, actually.

It reminds me of the oft-quoted difference between La Traviata and La Boheme: in the former Violetta's death moves us because she's Everywoman, whereas in the latter Mimi's passing is merely that of A Woman. In other words, Verdi's art is universal, whereas Puccini's is merely local; Verdi's is high art, whereas Puccini's is in shabby shocker territory.

I understand what the quote is getting at - but, oh the power of Puccini. And the innocence of young Alma. Both move me. Which is not to make any great claim for Alma's music. Yet...

Sorry - I'm rambling. Must be early afternoon drowsiness after a good lunch.

Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: semloh on Friday 07 December 2018, 10:08
Dare I say that perhaps age has something to do with one's reactions to Alma? If you are approaching your Biblical quota of three score and ten, or are on 'borrowed time', you may be like me in appreciating and marvelling at young people in a way that one didn't in the past. Nowadays, I find almost any trace of the higher virtues in young people very moving, and I'm perhaps more positive in my reactions than is strictly deserved....
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 07 December 2018, 10:32
No, that can't be it, Colin. I'm certainly approaching (but not yet reached) my Biblical quota, but Alan's a bit behind me...
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: matesic on Friday 07 December 2018, 11:14
No, I'd be more inclined to suspect the converse although present company clearly disproves the hypothesis that a wide experience of "real" classical and romantic music might cause one to deride Alma's ersatz creations. I think I know why my response is entirely negative. An important factor for me is how a composer fits into and reflects their own age, its culture and its wisdom. For me any attempt of a composer to reproduce a musical style of the past sounds fake, and I think I could detect it with some consistency! Neither do I marvel at the prodigious musical feats of young children, mainly because I don't feel their efforts are infused with the wisdom of experience, although jealousy may have something to do with it too...
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: matesic on Friday 07 December 2018, 11:16
I've just noticed that we all seem to end our posts this way...
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 07 December 2018, 11:26
How interesting...
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 07 December 2018, 12:26
That's because this issue is so polarising - and rather confusing...
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 07 December 2018, 16:05
Yes, you're quite right, Alan. I certainly feel very ambivalent about the whole Alma Deutscher phenomenon.
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 07 December 2018, 17:39
Only the future will tell us what we all want to know...
Title: Re: Alma Deutscher Cinderella (opera)
Post by: Christopher on Saturday 08 December 2018, 13:41
Quote from: matesic on Friday 07 December 2018, 11:16
I've just noticed that we all seem to end our posts this way...

Dotty!