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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: matesic on Thursday 21 March 2019, 10:34

Title: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: matesic on Thursday 21 March 2019, 10:34
Thank you Mark for brightening my mood this morning! Can it possibly be that Richard Strauss heard the piece in his teens and stole the allegro feroce theme for Death and Transfiguration?
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 21 March 2019, 11:46
Sounds to be in the Liszt-Wagner camp, i.e. very much proto-Strauss. It was apparently around the time of its composition that she went to study with César Franck.
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: matesic on Thursday 21 March 2019, 11:55
No doubt it's me but in places I found the melodrama a touch on the comical side! Jane Glover's less ferocious recording of the allegro feroce makes a better case for the music I think.
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 21 March 2019, 12:18
Yes, I agree with you on that point. The Allegro feroce in this reading is so remorselessly feroce that it borders on the unmusical. Still, an interesting piece as a whole, I thought, and the score has now been published I see.
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 21 March 2019, 17:02
You can also hear the work here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu5kAVGoU78 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu5kAVGoU78)
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: Ilja on Friday 22 March 2019, 06:31
Quote from: Mark Thomas on Thursday 21 March 2019, 12:18
Yes, I agree with you on that point. The Allegro feroce in this reading is so remorselessly feroce that it borders on the unmusical. Still, an interesting piece as a whole, I thought, and the score has now been published I see.
In my mind's eye I keep being cast back to those early black-and-white films where despairing damsels get thrown onto railway tracks by bearded villains in bowler hats. It has that sort of hectic quality to it.
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 22 March 2019, 07:06
That's spot on, Ilja. The scene painting is very literal throughout the whole work. By the way, I think you'll find that the villains had top hats, bowler hats were way too middle class!
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: matesic on Friday 22 March 2019, 07:47
I tried speeding the second movement up by 25%. The improvement is astonishing, still well within the limits of "andante tranquillo" (it could even take another 5-10%). Now we hear a flowing melody with a gently undulating accompaniment rather than a dirge.
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 22 March 2019, 09:54
Interesting. So, with the 2nd movement too slow and the third too fast, perhaps maestra Peleggi didn't do so well?
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: Hector on Saturday 23 March 2019, 11:42
Thank you for this. The Andante reminds me of Berlioz, and the whole brings to mind Liszt very strongly, I half expected Mazeppa to come galloping through. Quite happy with the tempos.
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: matesic on Saturday 23 March 2019, 12:54
Give this a listen and see what you think:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/1333sv281r97igq/Holm%25C3%25A8s%253B_Roland_Furieux_Symphony_02.mp3/file

Audacity allows you to change the tempo without changing the pitch (+38% in this case). Of course the timbre of the instruments changes somewhat and sound quality is bound to suffer on account of having to convert to .wav and then .mp3 format a second time.
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: Hector on Sunday 24 March 2019, 11:06
I can hear how that might be preferred, but I do think the Andante is better slower as a contrast to the hectic outer movements, I find love scenes flow better when languid. The quick tempo of the finale and the theatrical dynamic range does tend to the absurd but then when you are 'furious' you think you're presenting as magnificent when in fact most observers find you to be at least a touch absurd - which is what I presume Holmes is aiming for.   
Title: Re: Augusta Holmès Roland Furieux
Post by: matesic on Sunday 24 March 2019, 18:11
Fair enough. It was the six repetitions of the opening 2-bar phrase that particularly tried my patience.