Sgambati-especially the first movement and ending of the last. Steve
Well, since you took the Sgambati, how about Scharwenka 4?
Scharwenka No.1 in Earl Wild's performance would be my choice. The barnstorming first movement, which always reminds me of the "Entry of the Gladiators" (a compliment!), the delicious Scherzo and the echt-romantic piano concerto Finale; what a package!
The Draeseke - way over the top!
Paderewski! Gloriously ostentatious!
The Henselt. My goodness, what a piano entry in the first movement. But the finale... just listen to the tutti opening and you feel, no, you know that something is going to happen. Wow...
Reizenstein.
Eugen d'Albert's Second belted out by Michael Ponti...not in Piers Lane's cautious performance. So much happens in that 15 minute span. It's a piece which beats Liszt at his own game!
Quote from: Revilod on Saturday 16 October 2010, 21:49
Eugen d'Albert's Second belted out by Michael Ponti...not in Piers Lane's cautious performance. So much happens in that 15 minute span. It's a piece which beats Liszt at his own game!
A fine work, but rioutous? Well, maybe Ponti
could turn a quiet riot into a knock-down dragout!
Ah, the Moszkowski = the finale = now THERE'S a romp....
Quote from: JimL on Saturday 16 October 2010, 22:42
Quote from: Revilod on Saturday 16 October 2010, 21:49
Eugen d'Albert's Second belted out by Michael Ponti...not in Piers Lane's cautious performance. So much happens in that 15 minute span. It's a piece which beats Liszt at his own game!
A fine work, but rioutous? Well, maybe Ponti could turn a quiet riot into a knock-down dragout!
Ponti could turn anything into a riot. His pioneering recording of Medtner's Third Piano Concerto shaves well over 5 minutes off Demidenko's recording...and he's no slouch! I do think Ponti's version of the d'Albert concerto is very much in the spirit of the music even if he may go to far.
By the way, does anyone remember an old video of Volker Banfeld playing d'Albert's concerto dressed as a British airman Kenny Everett style?!
Never seen this video, but I assume it was done in the best possible taste.
Thal
Am sure, Thal, vid WAS in Everett's best possible taste:)
Revilod, are u, overall, a Ponti afficianado?(though I discern some ambivalence in your remark that he sometimes goes too far:)!) I think his approach would have pleased the pianist-virtuosi-composers of the era: his power, flamboyance and zest(and fast tempi:))Though, as i have often said here, he CAN be delicate(in the slow movements and second, slower subjects). As everywhere, he(sometimes strongly) divides opinion here; I LOVE him and his style; would be interested to hear your views.
None of the Hyperion pianists brings a similar verve and devil-may-care; very staid. For instance, he brings the Raff to life so hypnotically and excitingly(not necessarily an oxymoron), which, besides its stunningly beautiful slow movement melody, and its later hair-on-back-standing contrapuntal combination of that melody with a complementary one, DOES need some special pleading. Whilst ALWAYS being fun, and beautiful in some other sections, besides the slow movement, it DOES have its longeurs: and Ponti brings the WHOLE thing to vibrant life. (the Bronsart is another example).
Maestro Ponti is now very ill; and is not even, in public anyway, playing left-handed(only-he had a stroke in about 1998). Have u heard him play Rach 3 (On Dante) Probably his last recording and the most exciting and moving/tear-jerking of any I know.
Steve
great, Moskowski and Paderewski got a vote too. i recommend the later(Dante) Ponti Moszkowski as its orchestra is very good; not dicey, like the old (loveable:))Vox ones. The Raff, Rheinberger, Rubinstein(4)(I think) and Hiller were also re-recorded for Dante.Despite the opinion on the Review of the Raff on the actual Raff site , the orchestra is not, in my opinion(sorry again, Mark) NOT faint, but fairly close-up and detailed.But its not quite as an exciting a performance.
Keep them coming- though Sgambati, Paderewski, Moszkie, D'Albert(dont know the Reizenstein) take some beating. BTW, you can vote for the same concerto that someone else has already voted for; just try and keep it to one choice per PERSON!. So, that gives Sgambati two votes and the others one each.
Thanks Steve
Quote from: Steve B on Monday 18 October 2010, 12:52
Am sure, Thal, vid WAS in Everett's best possible taste:)
Revilod, are u, overall, a Ponti afficianado?(though I discern some ambivalence in your remark that he sometimes goes too far:)!) I think his approach would have pleased the pianist-virtuosi-composers of the era: his power, flamboyance and zest(and fast tempi:))Though, as i have often said here, he CAN be delicate(in the slow movements and second, slower subjects). As everywhere, he(sometimes strongly) divides opinion here; I LOVE him and his style; would be interested to hear your views.
None of the Hyperion pianists brings a similar verve and devil-may-care; very staid. For instance, he brings the Raff to life so hypnotically and excitingly(not necessarily an oxymoron), which, besides its stunningly beautiful slow movement melody, and its later hair-on-back-standing contrapuntal combination of that melody with a complementary one, DOES need some special pleading. Whilst ALWAYS being fun, and beautiful in some other sections, besides the slow movement, it DOES have its longeurs: and Ponti brings the WHOLE thing to vibrant life. (the Bronsart is another example).
Maestro Ponti is now very ill; and is not even, in public anyway, playing left-handed(only-he had a stroke in about 1998). Have u heard him play Rach 3 (On Dante) Probably his last recording and the most exciting and moving/tear-jerking of any I know.
Steve
Oh yes, Steve. I'm very much a Ponti fan. It's partly, of course, because he introduced us to so much entertaining and previously neglected music in his Vox days. He set the ball rolling. He also conveyed the spirit of the music he played so effectively. A good example, I think, is his recording of the Bronsart concerto. Nobody else, I think I'm right in saying, has dared to record it, yet it is a very fine work. In the finale, you get the impression Ponti's at full stretch technically and there are wrong notes and even one passage which is almost fluffed yet he knew that a cautious approach to the music just wouldn't work and he was prepared to take a chance...even though, it seems, Vox weren't too interested in patching in retakes.
Ponti didn't always hit the bullseye, though. I do think he skates over Medtner's magnificent concerto a little and he seemed to be having a bit of an off-day when he recorded Balakirev's 2nd Concerto which can't compete with Malcolm Binns's performance on Hyperion. But, overall, I am a definite Ponti fan. Ultimately, aren't we all?
I haven't heard his Rachmaninov 3 and must investigate it!
My vote goes to the Stavenhagen 1. Short but furious, with that delightfully theatrical coda.
I'm with you Steve. Always liked Ponti, maybe mostly because he was a leader in bringing us the early "unsung" piano concertos (also my favorite genre......). Sadly, the Minnesota never brought him to Minneapolis.
what is your favourite Ponti Romantic Piano concerto, jerfilm?
Steve
And, Ilja: i like your "delightfully theatrical" re those end chords of the Stavenhagen 1; very true.
Quote from: Steve B on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 01:05
what is your favourite Ponti Romantic Piano concerto, jerfilm?
Steve
And, Ilja: i like your "delightfully theatrical" re those end chords of the Stavenhagen 1; very true.
It's a sign one's too nearly asleep when "Ponti Romantic" scans as "Post Romantic".
Let's see what's arrived in the morning Ponti...
My favorite has always been the Moszkowski. Followed closely by Thalberg, Moscheles 3, Kalkbrenner, well, this is impossible. They were most all second choices. I often wished he had done Scharwenka 3, which is one of my favorites. Also Von Sauer 1.
Funny how you get used to a given performance of a work. I had purchased every recording of the Moszkowski that has been issued since and none compare. For me, at least. I don't know if it's the fire or the rubato tempos or what. I used to listen to recordings before going to live concerts in Minneapolis but gave it up because too often, despite a terrific performance, I would be disappointed because it just didn't sound "right".......as soon as I quit doing that, I started discovering amazing "new" interpretations of familiar music. From as far back as 30 years, I will never forget a Skrowaczewski performance of the Sibelius 2nd.....or an Elgar 1st conducted by Neville Mariner that brought me to tears. Some performances you just never forget.... Hey, that might make a good thread.....
If you're talking about the Kalkbrenner #1 and Ponti, he never did that. Hans Kann recorded it for regular Turnabout, coupled with the Hummel Op. 110.
Dear contributors,
Thank you for your hints on late romantic PCs. Many of them are on youtube. How about you fans uploading your gems so that we can all enjoy them?
the alla italia movement of the busoni piano concerto is as riotous as they come!
Scharwenka No. 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What else?!?
The finale of Saint-saens 5 anyone?
Quote from: FBerwald on Sunday 07 November 2010, 15:06
Scharwenka No. 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What else?!?
Ehm...
Scharwenka No. 2... maybe?...
I appear to have forgotten to vote.
I vote for Schytte.
Thal
;)
Only one vote? :(
Then mine has to go to Haydn Wood's concerto!
Busoni!
I want to change me vote to the Boise PC in G.
Had a bout of man flu so spent a few hours on it. Can't get anywhere near this. Octaves, thirds, Sixths etc, along the lines of Dreyschock perhaps.
Yours achingly.
Thal
Yes, the Boise concerto is quite a handful. I hope Hyperion record it sometime.
Well - NOT quite Riotous but........ Julius Röntgen's Piano Concerto in D major Op. 18 slowly creeps up on you ...concluding in a beautiful Rondo Finale that's riotous.
I'm surprised this concerto hasn't been mentioned before in any discussion.
Quote from: FBerwald on Tuesday 30 November 2010, 17:03
Well - NOT quite Riotous but........ Julius Röntgen's Piano Concerto in D major Op. 18 slowly creeps up on you ...concluding in a beautiful Rondo Finale that's riotous.
I'm surprised this concerto hasn't been mentioned before in any discussion.
It's come up in at least one or two discussions about Röntgen at least...
here: http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,767.msg10117.html#msg10117 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,767.msg10117.html#msg10117), http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,24.msg684.html#msg684 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,24.msg684.html#msg684), http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,755.msg9866.html#msg9866 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,755.msg9866.html#msg9866) , and elsewhere...
Quote from: eschiss1 on Tuesday 30 November 2010, 17:13
Quote from: FBerwald on Tuesday 30 November 2010, 17:03
Well - NOT quite Riotous but........ Julius Röntgen's Piano Concerto in D major Op. 18 slowly creeps up on you ...concluding in a beautiful Rondo Finale that's riotous.
I'm surprised this concerto hasn't been mentioned before in any discussion.
It's come up in at least one or two discussions about Röntgen at least...
here: http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,767.msg10117.html#msg10117 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,767.msg10117.html#msg10117), http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,24.msg684.html#msg684 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,24.msg684.html#msg684), http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,755.msg9866.html#msg9866 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,755.msg9866.html#msg9866) , and elsewhere...
EESH!!!!!!!!!!! :-[ LAid an egg there DIDN'T I!!!!!!!!!
Sorry. But the work is new to me and am a bit excited about (and by) it!!!!
It's quite beautiful nevertheless. Hyperion could have had a winner with that one ,........ but I hear he wrote about 7 piano concertos so maybe there's still some hope!!!!!!
Röntgen's PC2 is the opposite of riotous. Listen to the calm breadth of the opening movement and the lyricism of the slow movement: even the finale is measured and poised. No, this PC definitely belongs in the "non-riotous PCs" category!
I think cpo plans to record all? the 7 (1873-1930) Röntgen piano concertos (even maybe all the violin concertos also? don't know. will they be producing a new recording of the cello concertos? also don't know) anycase...
Quote from: eschiss1 on Wednesday 01 December 2010, 14:40
I think cpo plans to record all? the 7 (1873-1930) Röntgen piano concertos (even maybe all the violinc oncertos also? don't know. will they be producing a new recording of the cello concertos? also don't know) anycase...
Just out of curiosity how many concertos did he write (and for which instrument(s) ). I know there is some confusion about his work list ..... many still in manuscript form.
I do believe all(?) thr 3 cello concertos have been recorded (and quite nicely too!!!!!) by Arturo Muruzabal on Etcetera
The Violin Concerto in A minor(1902) has been done by Ragin Wenk-Wolff on Centaur.
Quote from: FBerwald on Wednesday 01 December 2010, 21:45
Just out of curiosity how many concertos did he write (and for which instrument(s) ). I know there is some confusion about his work list ..... many still in manuscript form.
The Violin Concerto in A minor(1902) has been done by Ragin Wenk-Wolff on Centaur.
Donemus used to host a PDF that purported to be a fairly complete list of his works. They've taken it down, but I still have a copy. I doubt I can legally distribute it, but from it I get 7 piano concertos, 3 cello concertos and two other cello and orchestra works, 5 violin concertos (possibly only 3 surviving?) plus a suite and a ballade for violin and orchestra; then several multiple strings and orchestra concertos:
the triple concerto for string trio and string orchestra from 1922 (also mentioned on Wikipedia), a 1927 double concerto for violin, cello and orchestra, a 1930 string quartet and orchestra concerto and an Introduction, Fugue, Intermezzo and Finale for string quartet and orchestra. Quite right about the cello concertos being recorded on Etcetera. Donemus lists the violin concerto in A minor as no.3 (a concerto no.1, no key given, from 1875- 'B' is the symbol next to it in the PDF- missing??; a concerto no.2, no key given, from 1879- also 'B'; concerto in A minor; concerto in D major (no.4 from 1925-6); concerto in F sharp minor (no.5 from 1931, to Jelly d'Aranyi.)
Eric
so as not to fill up that multi-edited entry btw-yes, apparently, 'B' means missing, or rather, B for '-B-rieven von Julius Röntgen', the source of their being two concertos for violin that don't seem to exist in score or parts. So, yes, missing.
My nomination is Peter Benoit's of 1865. It is quite over the top and vulgar and great fun.
Quote from: giles.enders on Sunday 05 December 2010, 14:36
My nomination is Peter Benoit's of 1865. It is quite over the top and vulgar and great fun.
though strictly called a symphonic poem and not a concerto, I think?
It simply has to be British - Sir Alexander Mackenzie's superb Scottish Concerto (1897) with it's riproaring finale
http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67023 (http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/al.asp?al=CDA67023)
I know this thread has gone qujiet but I've only just joined!
Amphissa suggested Paderewski - lovely piece but beware if you're listening to Earl Wild, as a lot of the embroidery is his own.
I completely agree with those who suggested Scharwenka 4 - on account of the last movement. Could I put in a word for the crazy Peter Mennin Concerto (1957) as well - the last movt as played by John Ogdon (probably sight reading, or close) is enjoyably bananas.