Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: saffron on Sunday 26 January 2020, 16:36

Title: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: saffron on Sunday 26 January 2020, 16:36
Hi everyone! Quite recently I was going through my extensive vinyl collection and came across a recording of Lalo's Namouna ballet music (Suisse Romande/Ansermet) I had not played for quite some years. I quite realise that Lalo is not an unsung composer as such, but I had quite forgotten what a wonderful score it is - full of memorable tunes - and particularly 'La Sieste'. The Ansermet recording omitted quite a lot of the music though, more of which is now available on CD.

Anyway, my reason for posting is to ask you knowledgeable folk for any suggestions of less familiar ballet music by unsung composers of a similar style/quality - although it doesn't have to be specifically for the ballet. Thank you in anticipation...
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 26 January 2020, 17:22
With reasons, please. Unaccompanied lists are very boring and will be deleted!
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: mjmosca on Sunday 26 January 2020, 18:06
Recently, I have been listening to an absolutely delightful comic ballet- Saint-Saens' "Javotte" which is a La Fille mal Gardee story. The themes are irresitable, and the characters spring to life right from the start. The recording [I think there is only one of the complete ballet: Andrew Mogrelia leading the Queensland Orchestra,] is very good, though perhaps warmer colors from the orchestra would be welcome. This is Saint-Saens' only full length ballet, and has all of the freshness and engagement one expects from this master. Highly recommended. By the way, Saint-Saens was a friend and admirer of Lalo.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: adriano on Sunday 26 January 2020, 18:26
Namouna: Again, as in a similar thread of years ago (in which, as I remember, Alan also expressed some of his rather negative opinions on ballet music), I take up again in defending "Namouna".
More important than Ansermet's recording is David Robertson's CD (Valois, 1996), containing a total of 16 cues (TT: 56 minutes). But already in 1972, Jean Martinon had recorded (on DGG) the two "Rhapsodies" (or Suites). Yondani Butt recorded them on ASV in 1998.
Due to a sudden brain congestion, Lalo had become unable to complete the orchestration of "Namouna", therefore Gounod (to whom the score is dedicated) intervened. But already Lalo's orchestrated pieces are superbly written.
Publisher Sikorski offers an apparently complete score with hire material (duration 85 minutes). One of my earliest Marco Polo dreams had been to record a complete "Namouna" on CD, but at that time, the complete score wasn't available yet. The piano reduction is also available at ISMLP.
Chabrier and D'Indy particularly appreciated this ballet. And it was Debussy, who said that "amongst too many stupid ballets, there is a sort of masterpiece: Namouna. It's very sad that no one talks about it anymore, it's also a sad circumstance in music [history]."
This music is very valuable and original - as already the Suites/Rhapsodies (arranged by the composer) reveal. The extended liner notes (by a musicologist and by the conductor) to the mentioned Valois CD are very informative.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: TerraEpon on Monday 27 January 2020, 01:28
A great place to start is the 9CD set called 'Music to the Bournonville Ballets' on Danacord of which the only even moderately sung piece is Herman Severin Lovenskiold's La Sylphide (which is reletively well known in ballet circles). All Danish composers (Gade, Lumbye, JPE Hartmann and others).

Another that pops off the top of my head if Josef Bayer's The Fairy Doll -- Bayer being the same composer who completed Johann Strauss Jr.'s only ballet, Aschenbrodel.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: alberto on Monday 27 January 2020, 10:39
Les Deux Pigeons (1886) by André Messager has since many years appeared to me unique in XIX French Ballet field for qualities of excitement, tunefulness, refinement. I appreciate especially the recording of the suite conducted by Chatles Mackerras. A little less the complete versions by Richard Bonynge (Decca) and John Lanchbery (Emi).
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Christopher on Monday 27 January 2020, 11:00
Myhaylo Skorulsky's "Forest Song" which is in the downloads section - if you like the music of Tchaikovsky with hints of very early Khachaturian.  Very much in the "fairy-ballet" genre. The adagio near the end, for violin and orchestra, is something of a concert piece in Ukraine (Skorulsky's home country).

The "official" recording of suites from the ballet (ie, from a long-out of print Melodiya LP that had a very restricted print run in 1971), is here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFsBTJuhtsE&t=37s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFsBTJuhtsE&t=37s)

The best version of the adagio, in my view, is the one here - http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,6035.msg67808.html#msg67808 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,6035.msg67808.html#msg67808)
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: saffron on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:39
I just wanted to say thank you to the kind folk on here who responded to my post. Some of the suggestions I already had in my library, but the 9 CD set suggested by TerraEpon will keep me going for quite a while!  :) Also, Saint-Saens "Javotte" was completely new to me - thanks to mjmosca. Also thanks for the information re. Namouna and Lalo supplied by hadrianus - you are certainly a knowledgeable lot! And not least, Christopher's suggestion of Skorulsky's "Forest Tale" was another delightful 'find'.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 13:38
I've come a bit late to this thread, but I would like to suggest you try Joseph Holbrooke's "Aucassin et Nicolette" (available on Dutton Epoch, with the Saxophone Concerto). This was very popular in its day - one of Holbrooke's "hits" - and I think it is charming, and, as always with Holbrooke, skilfully orchestrated.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: adriano on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 18:47
@ saffron: merci beaucoup :-)

You may perhaps not know that in 1991 I have recorded 3 less-known ballets by Ottorino Respighi, which are absolutely charming and valuable (world premier recordings). I particularly like "La pentola magica"; it has been recorded again in 2003 on Chandos by Gianandrea Noseda. In this ballet, Respighi re-orchestrated (among other Russian pieces) Rubinstein's "Dance of the Tartar Bowmen" in a largely superior way than the composer did!
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: saffron on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 19:33
Thank you Hadrianus! I have the Marco Polo CD that you mention in my library and I will retrieve it for further listening. One of the problems of having an extensive library (almost 60 years of collecting), is that having so much material you sometimes miss gems that for one reason or another got passed over. I suspect it is a common enough problem for many folk here. Anyway, thank you for reminding me! Respighi was an early favourite of mine in the days of vinyl - I virtually wore out the Pines..  :)
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: adriano on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 19:51
... and then, there is the big Respighi ballet "Belkis, regina di Saba" (with his exciting suite). It was premiered at the Scala, coupled with Massenet's "Werther" (!!!) in 1932. Marco Polo never allowed my to record its complete version, which also requires a mezzo-sporano a choir and a narrator. In 2012 it was produced by the Stuttgart Philharmonic Orchestra (conducted by Gabriel Feltz) in a disappointing (German translated) semi-concert version in which the narrator had to be a woman (the original requires a priest-like older man), which was talking (too many) additional texts over the music - and the music too had been altered. The whole is available on DVD.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: saffron on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 20:09
Thank you again Hadrianus.. Your knowledge of these works is just awesome!  :)

I have Belkis as well (on Chandos). There just aren't enough hours in the day to listen to all this wonderful music - and eat, sleep etc. as well ;)
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: TerraEpon on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 01:28
A complete Belkis (maybe without narrator x.x) is one of my most wanted things to be recorded.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: adriano on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 07:37
Dont'say that, TerraEpon!
"Belki's" narrator's part can be reduced to but a few interventions. I had arranged this myself already at the time I proposed this work to Marco Polo (in 1992, after having recorded "La Primavera"). Marco Polo refused since they were afraid I could not manage with this large orchestra formation. They did not even check that it is not larger than "La Primavera's" (except as far as the percussion section and 3 extra brass instruments are concerned, but "La Primavera" requires a 4-hand piano part in the orchestra and the double of chorus singers!) - and much easier to conduct! And "La Primavera" also requires 6 solo singers...
Some of those narrator's comments have to be respected, since they occur in place, where note's or empty bar's holds appear. Without them, the music makes less sense. But I am convinced that most of those texts are but stage direction notes just describing the action (which happens on stage anyway, so why describe it?). Anyway, in many passages they are too long to be recited alongside the music: some are over 100 words long and are set over 5 bars! The texts which occur over loud tutti and chorus sections, must be ignored in any case, otherwise the narrator would have to scream them out like hell. Funny that no musicologist has ever considered this case. Incidentally, the orchestration of "Belkis" also includes a wind machine (à la Ravel) and a gorgeous array of percussion instruments.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: saffron on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 08:46
You can always rely on Respighi to throw everything at it - including the kitchen sink... :)
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: M. Yaskovsky on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 09:16
Well, Respighi's Belkis, I think complete: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ottorino-Respighi-Belkis-Queen-Premiere/dp/B00FW7PBCS/ref=sr_1_19?keywords=respighi+belkis&qid=1580289314&sr=8-19
With German narration.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: saffron on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 11:14
Changing the subject slightly. Does anyone remember the excellent documentary shown by the BBC many years ago on Respighi? It was called  'Respighi - A Dream of Italy' - if memory serves me correct and was one of the Christopher Nupen composer documentaries (he did another on Sibelius). An excellent production and I must dig it out of my video library to watch again. The original was recorded on Betamax (remember that?) and I transferred it to DVD before the Betamax VCR expired...
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 12:09
Changing the subject slightly... too far. Back to unsung ballet, please.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 12:28
If members want to change the subject, they're always welcome to start a new thread...
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: adriano on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 13:01
M. Yaskovsky
This is the (DVD) live recording from Stuttgart I was writing about yesterday... In a way "complete", but totally altered because of the narration, which includes also texts from the score, which were merely intended as staging directives. This version is silly - even scanadalous: it makes of this powerful ballet a musical fairytale.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: giles.enders on Friday 31 January 2020, 10:29
There are two 'unsung' ballets' whose music and scenes I can easily recall. Firstly there is La Bayadere by Ludwig Minkus,  dateing from 1877 and has one of the most haunting and memorable second acts, 'The Kingdom of the Shades' The music for this can sound slightly repetitive but that is the point as dancer after dancer enters.
My other choice is more modern but still within the remit.  It is Piege de Lumiere by Jean-Michel Damase dating from 1952.  The music in parts conveys tropical insects which were back lit in the productions that I have seen. 
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: saffron on Saturday 01 February 2020, 14:28
Thank you Giles. I think I may have the Minkus item but it will mean searching through the vinyl library. I don't know the Damase one and will investigate...
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: jerry.buszek on Monday 10 February 2020, 22:21
I have checked my rather large collection and have found the following:

Manon - Besides the opera by Massenet there is a complete ballet with new music by Massenet recorded by Richard Bonynge on Decca.

Cydalise et le chevre-pied - The complete ballet was recorded by David Shallon and the Luxembourg Philharmonic on Timpani.

Esmeralda - This is a rare recording of Pugni's (1807-1870) ballet by the Odessa Symphony on an Adro Records cd.

Also, Oskar Nedbal (1874-1930) had excerpts of 4 of his ballets on 2 Supraphon discs with Miroslav Homolka and the Dvorak Chamber Orchestra: Princess Hyacinth/The Tale of Honza/From Tale to Tale/Andersen.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: TerraEpon on Tuesday 11 February 2020, 01:49
Actually Manon Ballet is one of the many "ballet after" type deals that dot the 20th century. It uses other music by Massenet but it's not originally by him. I actually have quite a few of those, including Alice in Wonderland, Onegin (not 'Eugene') and The Queen of Spades (called the same, yes). This is in the same ilk as stuff like Gaite Parisienne (an absolute favorite), Cakewalk and Les Patineurs.

As for Cydalise et le chevre-pied, I do love it but it might be a bit impressionistic for the board.

I might have to look into that Pugni piece...

Now, some other recomendations....other Adolphe Adam ballets, such as La Filleule des Fees and Le Jole Fille de Gand, as well as Mingus's Don Quixote. And of course I shouldn't fail to mention Chamniade's Callirhoe.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: giles.enders on Tuesday 18 February 2020, 11:56
In Rehihold Gliere's ballet, 'The Red Poppy' there is a very attractive waltz number called 'Boston'. It is quite haunting.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 18 February 2020, 12:53
I'd forgotten about "The Red Poppy". It contains some lovely music. I would love to see it staged sometime, despite the propaganda story.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: TerraEpon on Tuesday 18 February 2020, 13:17
Quote from: giles.enders on Tuesday 18 February 2020, 11:56
In Rehihold Gliere's ballet, 'The Red Poppy' there is a very attractive waltz number called 'Boston'. It is quite haunting.

Actually a kind of dance -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_(dance)
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: adriano on Tuesday 18 February 2020, 18:49
The complete "Red Poppy" recording on Naxos is quite exciting. And there is the famous suite recorded by Scherchen - as a "filler" to his unsurpassable recording of "Ilya Murometz" :-) Also Edward Downes suite on Chandos is quite remarkable.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: giles.enders on Thursday 20 February 2020, 10:38
Alberto mentions Les Deux Pidgeons.  I have seen it on a number of occasions at Covent Garden, part of the fun was to see if the two live birds landed up where they were supposed to.  On one occasion one didn't and sat on the edge of a box and of course stole the show when at curtain call it returned to the stage.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 20 February 2020, 10:45
Here's the suite from Les Deux Pigeons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMz-PTMdZPY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMz-PTMdZPY)
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Martin Eastick on Tuesday 25 February 2020, 13:09
This would seem to be an appropriate place to mention Moszkowski's "Laurin: Ballet in drei Abtheilungen und sechs Bildern" Op53, which was given its premiere in Berlin in 1896. I do have a  piano reduction of the complete work, but the problem here, as ever, is trying to locate the orchestral scores and parts so that it can be included (hopefully) in Toccata's ongoing Moszkowski project. If anyone here can provide any further information, this would be of great help! Fleisher does have several excerpts with orchestral material, but NOT the complete ballet which, judging from the reduction, deserves to be included with the other orchestral works in the pipeline!
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 08 July 2020, 18:51
Pierné's 'Cydalise et la chèvre-pied' is a gorgeous piece. If you like Ravel's 'Daphnis et Chloë' you should love this!
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: tpaloj on Thursday 09 July 2020, 08:38
I could not find Laurin via the usual suspects (bnf, sbb, worldcat, rism) either. Assenov states that full performance mats were published 1895 by bote & bock. Given the ballet's premiere was a fiasco, it was never staged in complete form after that, besides a few excerpts and single numbers published separately.

There's just a few likely options left: the performance material might be left at Berlin Royal Opera's archives after the premiere, which would be my best guess. Or they could be in storage of the publisher: that will probably not be an easy route to make inquiries, given that B&B merged with Zimmerman and Lienau later on. Thirdly, they might be uncatalogued and hiding in BNF in some stack of M's other manuscripts....
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Martin Eastick on Thursday 09 July 2020, 09:30
Many thanks for your suggestions, Tuomas. I did make some initial investigation at Bote & Bock some years ago, but to no avail unforetunately. However, it may be worth another try! I suppose that an orchestration could be done, especially with the help of the isolated numbers which are available from Fleisher.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 09 July 2020, 09:37
The piano reduction and partiturs for several orchestral excerpts are held in the Berlin library.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: alberto on Thursday 09 July 2020, 11:10
I share affection for Piernè Cydalise et le Chévre-Pied (I own recordings by Martinon -suite n.1 and by the less known J.B.Mari- suites n.1 and n.2).
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 21 July 2020, 18:59
This looks like it might (https://www.worldcat.org/title/introduction-und-tanz-der-rosenelfen-aus-dem-ballet-laurin-op-53-no-3/oclc/1152881849&referer=brief_results) be a fully orchestrated excerpt from Laurin, I can't tell.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 21 July 2020, 19:04
RAM categorizes some of their Laurin excerpts, HW (Henry Wood) marked, as under Orchestral sets. Maybe?
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 21 July 2020, 20:05
QuoteThis looks like it might be a fully orchestrated excerpt from Laurin, I can't tell.

Score and parts for this (which is described in their catalog as Op. 53, No 3) are also in Fleisher.
Title: Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Post by: tpaloj on Wednesday 22 July 2020, 19:04
There are a few excerpts like the no.3 with published orchestral parts and all. Worldcat lists "Sarabande und Double" and "Danse des fées Roses" etc found easily in some libraries... but it's not much consolation with the full ballet score totaling 2½ hours missing in action. Like said in my previous post, maybe the Staatsoper Unter den Linden might be worth contacting – even if it's a very long shot – by someone who can present the matter in German...?

http://theaterarchive.iti-germany.de/index.php?id=279 (http://theaterarchive.iti-germany.de/index.php?id=279)