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Title: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 26 March 2020, 18:28
Written in 1941, but fully romantic in style:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgdpdYtyL7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgdpdYtyL7c)

Details on the composer here:
https://www.musicabaltica.com/en/composers-and-authors/jzeps-medi/ (https://www.musicabaltica.com/en/composers-and-authors/jzeps-medi/)

Symphony No.2 is in our Downloads board, here:
https://www.mediafire.com/?17jtzu1i5c44ft3,eavcc459d95g360,1234n8wix5osk0o,49aahqvq4zq53xx (https://www.mediafire.com/?17jtzu1i5c44ft3,eavcc459d95g360,1234n8wix5osk0o,49aahqvq4zq53xx)
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: semloh on Sunday 29 March 2020, 04:44
The YT version is from an old Melodiya LP, which also included the Aria from Suite No.1; and, the same performers also recorded the 2nd symphony ('In Spring').
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: Sharkkb8 on Sunday 29 March 2020, 08:43
Am I mistaken, or does the download link above go to the A major Symphony #2, rather than #3?   
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 29 March 2020, 09:45
The MediaFire download is certainly not the same music as the recording on YouTube of Symphony No.3, nor is it of the same sound quality, clearly coming from a rather battered LP. I guess it must be the Second Symphony.
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 29 March 2020, 11:50
Oops, my mistake - duly corrected.
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 29 March 2020, 15:40
if someone with scores of the works could confirm that -both- works are as labeled it would be good :)

(rather than, say, music by someone else entirely)
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: tpaloj on Sunday 29 March 2020, 16:17
Thank you for the links and info on this composer. Fascinating symphonies.

I wonder how his early (1911) Violin Concerto is like? In browsing the Latvian National Library's catalogue, Jazeps' compositions are well represented but I could not find an entry for a VC... well, the entries are all in latvian so it's probably my fault! The first symphony's score is there (the entry appears to indicate 389 pages.... that's a lot, so perhaps it also includes the parts?). Also several other orchestral works: orchestral overture; orchestral prelude etc. and the piano score to his opera Vaidelote.
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 29 March 2020, 16:40
Quotebut I could not find an entry for a VC

Is this what you are looking for:

Title
Koncerts vijolei un orķestrim, partitūra [notis].
Author
Jāzeps Mediņš 1877-1947.
Imprint
B.v.
Publication Year
b g
Physical Description
119 lpp.
Language
Latvian
Subjects
Notis
Instrumentāli skaņdarbi
Genre/Form
Manuskripti
Source
NLL Rare Books and Manuscripts
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 29 March 2020, 16:51
is the first symphony a brief work? 389 pp. doesn't actually sound like that out-of-the-ordinary for a score of that time or place or especially publisher- depending. (Compare Lyapunov's 2 symphonies. His first (1887), published in 1902 by Zimmermann- 193 pages in full score, 40 minutes. His second (1917), first published posthumously by the company sometimes abbreviated to Muzgiz, in 1958- about 324 pages for ca.50 minutes.) (The size of the pages, maybe, or the decisions where to place the breaklines? Or prefaces? Or- I wish I knew :) )
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 29 March 2020, 16:58
Thanks for reminding me to add that library, as well, to the list of libraries I need to add (along with ONB and not a few others) when Worldcat does not turn up what I'm looking for (etc.)
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 29 March 2020, 19:24
(Actually, https://kopkatalogs.lv/ has 398 pp for symphony no.1 and doesn't give a pagination for Medins' "Simfonija Nr. 3" unless 43 balsis means 86 pages, or something like that? (Maybe this page (https://dom.lndb.lv/data/obj/634943) contains useful information for someone who reads Latvian- it looks like an interesting page. The fact that a translation contains lines like "there is no right to download the file" suggests (though it does not prove yet) that perhaps there are other pages on this dom.lndb.lv site with earlier-published pages belonging to other earlier composers that -are- downloadable, an interesting prospect.)
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: tpaloj on Sunday 29 March 2020, 19:56
Technically, Jazeps' scores are public domain in EU given his death year of 1947. Maybe somebody has ordered and paid for the digitization, which is why the files seem to be there but cannot be accessed (Nav tiesības lejupielādēt datni) by others?
QuoteIs this what you are looking for:

Title
Koncerts vijolei un orķestrim, partitūra [notis].
Great, you got it! Latvia, and her National Library, is looking more and more like a nice place to visit some day!
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 29 March 2020, 20:36
of course maybe the program notices that I'm in the US and that they're -not- PD here :)
(though that shouldn't apply to some of the 1890s scores by Vitols. And to be fair, there's at least one score by Vitols- his  Op.6 variations published in 1892 I think- one can view (and perhaps download image by image? not sure...) on the site- maybe others, too.)
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: dhibbard on Sunday 29 March 2020, 22:04
I would check with the publishing house ULMA in Riga.  I was able to get the some of his piano works and also Jazeps Vitols (which you can now download at Sibley Music library for free) in Riga about 20 years ago.  I don't have the contact info for ULMA (that was in 2000), but they were all in fresh typeset and not photo copies from years ago. 
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: Sharkkb8 on Sunday 29 March 2020, 22:15
If someone could record the originally-posted Sym 3 Youtube recording and place it in the Downloads section, I, for one, would be very grateful.  I used to routinely record online sound using Audacity, and then Movavi, but recent changes to macOS have produced software compatibility problems. Out of frustration, and after unsuccessfully trying various other methods, I gave up. 

(Or, if someone could DM some other Mac-compatible solution (ideally not overly technical/complex), that would be grand)

Or, would a new, current thread about such recording techniques be of enough interest to justify & sustain itself?
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 29 March 2020, 23:27
I recommend using YtMp3 (https://ytmp3.cc/) for Youtube videos of less than an hour's duration. (It does not always work, that said.)
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: Sharkkb8 on Monday 30 March 2020, 00:55
Quote from: eschiss1 on Sunday 29 March 2020, 23:27
I recommend using YtMp3 (https://ytmp3.cc/) for Youtube videos of less than an hour's duration. (It does not always work, that said.)

*Wow*.  Worked great.  Had to momentarily disable ad-blocker but after that, smooth sailing.  Thanks *very* much, Eschiss1 !
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 30 March 2020, 08:42
Here's my recording of the Third Symphony (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,7688.msg80541.html#msg80541).
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: Christopher on Monday 30 March 2020, 10:48
Quote from: tpaloj on Sunday 29 March 2020, 19:56
Great, you got it! Latvia, and her National Library, is looking more and more like a nice place to visit some day!

I can confirm this - Riga is stunning!

You could also try the Latvian Music Information Centre - https://www.lmic.lv/en (https://www.lmic.lv/en) - they have been very enthusiastic and helpful to me in the past.
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: djarvie on Monday 30 March 2020, 19:13
QuoteI wonder how his early (1911) Violin Concerto is like?

I have a recording of the Violin Concerto from Latvian Radio LR3 that I made in 2016, which I shall attempt to upload to the Downloads section.  I'm not very familiar with Mediafire, so I should welcome any feedback as to how it has worked (or not).
Title: Re: Jāzeps Medinš (1877-1947) Symphony No.3 in E flat
Post by: tpaloj on Tuesday 31 March 2020, 06:59
The download link worked fine. Thank you, very much appreciated!