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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: chriss on Wednesday 15 July 2020, 15:55

Title: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: chriss on Wednesday 15 July 2020, 15:55
I know Borodin is not unsung but this piece perhaps.  Rimsky-Korsakov orchestrated Borodin's sketches for the Finale of the Ballet Opera Mlada. I remember a broadcast of this rare composition over 20 years ago by the NDR Sinfonieorchester.

The Mlada Finale was once available on LP but was it ever released on CD?
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 15 July 2020, 16:40
If you mean the recording conducted by Loris Tjeknavorian, I don't think it was ever issued on CD.

The original version (ripped from LP) can be heard here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM_4D_FGaHg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM_4D_FGaHg)
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 15 July 2020, 17:23
Thanks to britishcomposer, the performance with the NDR Sinfonieorchester (now NDR Elbphilharmonie)
conducted by Siegfried Köhler is now available in our Download Board, here:
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,7868.msg82395.html#new
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: chriss on Wednesday 15 July 2020, 17:40
Thank you very much for the link!  :)

The Tjeknavorian album with Borodin's orchestral compositions is outstanding. Unfortunately the Mlada piece was not included in the CD reissues.
There also was an early recording from Russia. Don't know if it was from an LP recording or from a broadcast.

Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: britishcomposer on Wednesday 15 July 2020, 17:56
I see there is some inconsistency concerning the date of Rimsky's orchestration. The youtube video gives 1890.
I referred to the wikipedia list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Alexander_Borodin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_Alexander_Borodin)
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: TerraEpon on Thursday 16 July 2020, 01:27
The book I have also gives 1890.

So odd this one seems to be under the radar....sucks since I love both composers.
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: der79sebas on Thursday 16 July 2020, 09:54
By the way, the recent "Prince Igor" from the MET (Abdrazakov, Noseda) uses also this Mlada-fragment as orchestral finale, which, by the way, is not at all convincing (as is the rest of the production):

https://www.deutschegrammophon.com/de/katalog/produkte/borodin-prince-igor-abdrazakov-petrenko-noseda-529
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: der79sebas on Thursday 16 July 2020, 09:56
It would be nice to have a "complete" Mlada - has it ever been tried to collect all the fragments and to create an approximation to what might have been the final outcome of the project?
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: chriss on Thursday 16 July 2020, 10:21
The Abdrazakov/Noseda "Igor" was unfortunately not released on CD.

It's strange that there is no recording of the Mlade Finale available. Not even on Naxos. Chandos at least did a recording of Rimsky's obscure orchestration of "Funiculì, funicula".
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 16 July 2020, 11:00
Quote from: der79sebas on Thursday 16 July 2020, 09:56
a "complete" Mlada - has it ever been tried to collect all the fragments and to create an approximation to what might have been the final outcome of the project?
See this detailed Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mlada). There is as yet no definitive reconstruction. Much the five composers' contributions were re-used by them, but recordings of the reworked pieces are patchy. I don't believe that Cui's first act or Minkus' ballet music has been recorded, but most of Mussorgsky's contributions have been in their final form, while Rimsky-Korsakov's found their way into several of his operas, which have been recorded. The same goes for Borodin in his Prince Igor (although there both R-K and Glazunov are responsible for the finished piece).
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: Christopher on Thursday 16 July 2020, 18:33
There's quite a comprehensive account of the Mlada project on Wikipedia, describing how it also had the involvement of Mussorgsky and Cui and what happened to the material that they also wrote.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mlada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mlada)
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 16 July 2020, 20:02
Umm...didn't I just say all that?  ???
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 16 July 2020, 21:02
You did.  ::)
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: tappell on Friday 17 July 2020, 13:37
I am also surprised this has never been recorded. A very attractive piece, and the closing bars particularly, capture Borodin's melodic style.
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 17 July 2020, 14:06
How'd we go from "never issued on CD" to "never recorded" all in one go? I thought an LP recording was mentioned above. (If "this" means the complete Mlada using the contributions of all the composers, then sorry, just misunderstood...  after all, the title still says "Borodin Mlada Finale", and this, well, is "this". Isn't "that" "so"?) Edit: except for some of his songs, one opera, one string quartet, a couple of discs of orchestral music, and some piano music, recordings of Cui's music are really thin on the ground and apologetically made anyway, so maybe I'm just not surprised that his contribution has never been commercially recorded; it seems people really do -not like- him... (edit: oh, and his violin sonata on Olympia, and a couple of other things, but basically, yeah.)
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: chriss on Friday 17 July 2020, 16:28
The "Guide to the Soviet All-Union Radio Committee Collection" contains a recording of the Finale by Boris Khaykin conducting the Leningrad State Philharmonic Orchestra:

https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt0w1035dp/entire_text/

That must be the source for this recording on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1wu4iou3e8
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: MartinH on Friday 17 July 2020, 19:22
I enjoyed this very much. Sounds like a soundtrack to a B-grade horror film from the '40s or '50s. I like at around 3:50 the clarinet plays a tune that seems a great fit for the overture Glazunov wrote. Any one know if a score of this is available anywhere?
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 17 July 2020, 21:53
 https://imslp.org/wiki/Mlada_(Various) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Mlada_(Various)) maybe?? (arranged, anyway.)
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: Christopher on Friday 17 July 2020, 23:19
Quote from: MartinH on Friday 17 July 2020, 19:22
I enjoyed this very much. Sounds like a soundtrack to a B-grade horror film from the '40s or '50s. I like at around 3:50 the clarinet plays a tune that seems a great fit for the overture Glazunov wrote. Any one know if a score of this is available anywhere?

Which Glazunov overture?
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 18 July 2020, 07:27
Glazunov composed the Overture for Borodin's Prince Igor as part of the reconstruction and completion work which he and Rimsky-Korsakov did on the unfinished score after Borodin's death. I think the story goes that Borodin once played it through to his friends on the piano and Glazunov composed it from memory, having heard it just that once several years before.
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: MartinH on Saturday 18 July 2020, 22:25
That's the story, and then I read later that Glazunov admitted that he just made up the overture. Who knows.
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: MartinH on Saturday 18 July 2020, 22:28
Thank you eschiss1 - that's it. It's not filed under Borodin - they should at least cross reference it there! Next time I conduct a Halloween concert I'm programming this!
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 19 July 2020, 08:45
QuoteI read later that Glazunov admitted that he just made up the overture
Yes, I read that somewhere too. Either way, it's a damn fine overture.
Title: Re: Borodin Mlada Finale
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 20 July 2020, 01:53
IMSLP has multiple tabs under composers. Don't just look under the first one :) Click "Collaborations" on the Borodin page.

Collaborations containing Borodin's Input (http://imslp.org/wiki/Category:Borodin,_Aleksandr/Collaborations) (always worth checking the collections and collaborations tabs for what you're looking for!)