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Title: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 21 March 2021, 12:30
This is not a list! Well, it is a list, but hopefully a meaningful one!

I have been consulting two sources with regard to the question of symphonies in the lead-up to Brahms, in other words symphonies in the now infamous 'Dahlhaus Gap', namely Rebecca Grotjahn's 'The Symphony in the German Cultural Realm 1850 to 1876' (title translated from the German original) and Walter Frisch's 'Brahms: the Four Symphonies'. A large number of symphonies are mentioned in these two books, so I was wondering whether a listing of those available at IMSLP might prove useful to any of our intrepid members who are capable of turning scores into invaluable, listenable computer realisations...

N.B. Please feel free to add to this list by posting links only to full scores available for download.

So, here's a start:

Hubert Ferdinand Kufferath (1818-96): C major, Op.15 (1849):
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.15_(Kufferath%2C_Hubert_Ferdinand) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.15_(Kufferath%2C_Hubert_Ferdinand))

Wilhelm Taubert (1811-91): B minor, Op.80 (1851):
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.4%2C_Op.80_(Taubert%2C_Wilhelm) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.4%2C_Op.80_(Taubert%2C_Wilhelm))

Heinrich Esser (1818-72): B minor, Op.79 (1869-70)
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.79_(Esser%2C_Heinrich) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.79_(Esser%2C_Heinrich))

Ernst Pauer (1826-1905): C minor, Op.50 (1861)
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1%2C_Op.50_(Pauer%2C_Ernst) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1%2C_Op.50_(Pauer%2C_Ernst))

Eduard Lassen (1830-1904): D major (1867)
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1_(Lassen%2C_Eduard) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1_(Lassen%2C_Eduard))

Carl Peter Georg Grädener (1812-1883): C minor, Op.25 (1872)
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.25_(Gr%C3%A4dener%2C_Carl_Georg_Peter) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.25_(Gr%C3%A4dener%2C_Carl_Georg_Peter))

Philipp Rüfer (1844-1919): F major, Op.23 (1876)
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.23_(R%C3%BCfer%2C_Philipp) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.23_(R%C3%BCfer%2C_Philipp))

Johann Joseph Abert (1832-1915): No.5 in C minor (1869)
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.5_(Abert%2C_Johann_Joseph) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.5_(Abert%2C_Johann_Joseph))
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 21 March 2021, 16:59
... "complete scores available for download"
The Kufferath is a complete score, but not a full score. (It's a reduction.) That could pose a problem. Unless someone has access to the parts @ Royal Library of Brussels, or a copy of the full score or parts have been digitized somewhere online, or something...

Speaking of the devil. (http://objects.library.uu.nl/reader/index.php?obj=1874-350736&lan=en#page//13/90/92/139092804619779589608634733243074950894.jpg/mode/1up) (Another, possibly better, link is Worldcat (https://www.worldcat.org/title/symphonie-a-grand-orchestre/oclc/1130179852) which links to the latter page- the digitized parts of the symphony.)
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 21 March 2021, 17:09
Thanks, Eric. I have duly changed 'complete' to read 'full'.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 21 March 2021, 17:32
we definitely want 1849-1876? Because Täglichsbeck's first symphony's complete parts (1837?) are here - https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1%2C_Op.10_(T%C3%A4glichsbeck%2C_Thomas) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1%2C_Op.10_(T%C3%A4glichsbeck%2C_Thomas)) ,

Castelbarco's F major symphony op.40's complete parts (ca.1846 published) are here - https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_in_F_major%2C_Op.40_(Castelbarco-Visconti%2C_Cesare) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_in_F_major%2C_Op.40_(Castelbarco-Visconti%2C_Cesare)) and

Bolko von Hochberg's symphony no.1 op.26 (pub.1879) in full score is here: https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1%2C_Op.26_(Hochberg%2C_Hans_Heinrich_Bolko_von) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1%2C_Op.26_(Hochberg%2C_Hans_Heinrich_Bolko_von)).

(1879 is also the publication date of Mihalovich's  first of four symphonies, found in full score here. https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1_(Mihalovich%2C_%C3%96d%C3%B6n) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1_(Mihalovich%2C_%C3%96d%C3%B6n)))

(Other recent arrivals, though earlier compositions, include for example the parts to the 7 symphonies by Joseph Küffner.)
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 21 March 2021, 19:53
I'm sure we can extend the time-period on either side of the dates I suggested. It's just that this is the period for which I have the most data - and I've hardly begun...
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: tpaloj on Monday 22 March 2021, 13:44
So many names there that I've never heard. This is helpful - thank you Alan & Eric. To clarify, are you only looking at German symphonies, or is anything from this approximate time period fine?

Georg Andreas Henkel, op.20:
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.20_(Henkel%2C_Andreas) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.20_(Henkel%2C_Andreas))
I did create a Noteperformer transcription of this Symphony last year. Coincidentally, I was just recently contacted by a conductor about possibly performing this. No definite plans yet so we'll see...

Ferdinand Hiller's Op.67 (1848):
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony,_Op.67_(Hiller,_Ferdinand) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony,_Op.67_(Hiller,_Ferdinand))
Only first movement is recorded. A solo piano transcription of the whole piece was made and recorded by someone I think?

Friedrich Markull (1856) no.2, manuscript:
https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN820570354&PHYSID=PHYS_0003 (https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN820570354&PHYSID=PHYS_0003)
Was thinking of setting this one and wrote out the scherzo earlier. The first movement started out promising, but after the Adagio the main Allegro theme is so trite and weak I struggled to write just past the exposition. The more lyrical passages are good though. Might revisit this in due time, hopefully it gets better as it goes on...
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 22 March 2021, 14:49
You can contribute a symphony by anyone of any nationality - provided the score is publicly available. I just happened to be looking at two listings of symphonies by German or Austrian composers.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 22 March 2021, 15:28
Scores, not performing parts, just to be clear? Parts are actually more likely.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Reverie on Monday 22 March 2021, 15:35
Like tpaloj I have various projects on the go all in various stages of completition. I have the Esserand Abert which are both about two thirds done and the Lassen which I've only recently begun but it's a lot quicker to get through than the other two. If anyone else is having a go at any on this useful list (one which I hope will grow in time) then maybe they should say what exactly they have planned so nobody is wasting their time.

Oh and yes, I don't think performing parts create a huge problem?
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 22 March 2021, 15:50
Reverie's suggestion about sharing information concerning projects is a vital one. We don't want any wasted effort! If contributors wish to keep their project(s) secret from the wider public (or even the moderators!), then please remember to use UC's PM facility.

I would suggest that any completed project should be the subject of a separate thread.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: tpaloj on Monday 22 March 2021, 17:16
I don't wish to keep anything secret, a few commercial projects I cannot go into but otherwise I fully support sharing a general list for our "in-progress" projects. Such a list would go beyond symphonies and so a separate thread would be for the best.

I'm really happy that you chose to work on Lassen's symphony Reverie. Been wondering how that sounds like for several years.

I don't have any plans for the rest of the symphonies mentioned here so far. A couple of Norwegian symphonies underway that are a little more recent and won't fit here.

Having only performing parts is not an issue so far as putting together Noteperformer renditions go, though I find working this way more frustrating. It seems to take longer and proofreading is much more time-consuming. And sometimes especially in handwritten parts there are things like missing rests (worst of all) and inconsistently placed dynamics & other things from one part to the next. Composers: it pays to keep those copyists chained to their desks until they stop making mistakes no matter how much they will complain...

Josef Rheinberger's Symphony No.1 JWV 41 (1855), D major, manuscript.
https://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0009/bsb00093223/images/index.html?id=00093223&groesser=&fip=sdasfsdreayaewqxdsydxsqrsewqxdsyd&no=10&seite=1 (https://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/0009/bsb00093223/images/index.html?id=00093223&groesser=&fip=sdasfsdreayaewqxdsydxsqrsewqxdsyd&no=10&seite=1)
Rheinberger composed a vast and wide corpus of early works until eventually assigning his first opus number. These early works are mostly unrecognized and unremarked upon, but this early Symphony in D is interesting. For some reason it's become established that Rheinberger's symphonic poem Wallenstein is also called his "Symphony no.1". But clearly this early work is the first, true Symphony in D, isn't it? Apparently Wallenstein was called the "Symphony no.1" in its premiere and Rheinberger in fact did not consider this early work when numbering his later symphonies.

Rheinberger's early works also include an unfinished "second symphony" JWV 76 in C minor.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 22 March 2021, 18:12
John Ellerton (1801-73): Wald-Symphonie, Op.120 (1861)
https://imslp.org/wiki/Wald-Symphonie%2C_Op.120_(Ellerton%2C_John_Lodge) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Wald-Symphonie%2C_Op.120_(Ellerton%2C_John_Lodge))

Napoleon Henri Reber (1807-1880): C major, Op.19 (ca 1838)
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.2%2C_Op.19_(Reber%2C_Napol%C3%A9on_Henri) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.2%2C_Op.19_(Reber%2C_Napol%C3%A9on_Henri))

Jacob Rosenhain (1813-94): No.2 F minor, Op.43 (1844?)
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.2%2C_Op.43_(Rosenhain%2C_Jacob) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.2%2C_Op.43_(Rosenhain%2C_Jacob))
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 22 March 2021, 19:11
Ellerton's Wald-Symphonie, no performers mentioned, perhaps a MIDI? -- YouTube. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYyioUY29gI)

tpaloj- any plans to include Borgstrom's manuscript symphonies (parts/score digitized in a Norwegian library online, I believe...)? :)
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 22 March 2021, 19:15
As to not overlapping,  not doing the same thing as each other, etc., there's an app, I mean, page, on IMSLP specifically for that -- well, more for announcing plans to -typeset- works so that two people/groups aren't typesetting the same work/retypesetting the same score at the same time, but I'm sure it can be repurposed. I'll see if I can find the link..

Oh, ok, this was a Scanning queue (https://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:User_scanning_queue) ("Here you can post scores that you are (or will be) scanning or typesetting, to prevent redundancies.")
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 22 March 2021, 20:09
QuoteEllerton's Wald-Symphonie, no performers mentioned, perhaps a MIDI? -- YouTube.

Worth re-doing, I think.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: tpaloj on Monday 22 March 2021, 20:25
Quote from: eschiss1 on Monday 22 March 2021, 19:11
tpaloj- any plans to include Borgstrom's manuscript symphonies (parts/score digitized in a Norwegian library online, I believe...)? :)
I've been putting together Hjalmar Borgstrom's 1890 G major symphony from the handwritten parts. Full score's whereabouts are unknown (Norwegian National Library only has the parts). It's shaping up to be really great just from the strings + half of brass parts so far, really a wonderfully melodic, strong and memorable work. We'll see when everything's all together :) And thanks for the IMSLP scanning list link, that's useful to be aware of too.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 22 March 2021, 22:28
Jacob Rosenhain (1813-94): Symphony No. 3 "Au Printemps" (? - premiered before 1858, according to work list on IMSLP) - autograph full score in BNF, catalogue No. FRBNF44883938.  https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb44883938z (https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb44883938z)
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 22 March 2021, 22:37
neat, did not see that (oh, not yet digitized, someone would have to request. Misunderstood. The Gazette musicale of 28/11/1858 has a review of presumably an early performance) . I think no.2 is @ IMSLP... oh yes, no.2 was on the abufe lißt.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 22 March 2021, 22:54
Gustav Jensen (1843-95), op. (posth.)35 - https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony,_Op.35_(Jensen,_Gustav) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony,_Op.35_(Jensen,_Gustav)).

Arnold Krug (1849-1904), symphony in C (1876) - https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_in_C_major%2C_Op.9_(Krug%2C_Arnold) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_in_C_major%2C_Op.9_(Krug%2C_Arnold)).

Richard Kleinmichel (1846-1901), symphony no.2 in B-flat (by 1881) - https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.52_(Kleinmichel%2C_Richard) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.52_(Kleinmichel%2C_Richard)).
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 22 March 2021, 23:03
re Reber: I note the unusually large # and often surprised positive reviews of his op.33 and think I recall that Saint-Saëns promoted his music :)
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 22 March 2021, 23:12
Great Eric. Keep 'em coming!

May I suggest that you add the composers' dates, plus the date of composition? Thanks.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 22 March 2021, 23:47
usually the best I can do is the earliest of premiere, composer death date and publication date, since more accurate information is rarely available but will do my best!
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: cypressdome on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 01:06
Hugo Ulrich (1827-1872)
Symphony, Op.6 (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony%2C_Op.6_(Ulrich%2C_Hugo)) (composed 1852 and published in 1855).
Symphonie triomphale, Op.9 (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphonie_triomphale%2C_Op.9_(Ulrich%2C_Hugo)) (first performed in 1853 and published in 1855).
Additionally, as a filler there is his Fest-Ouvertüre, Op.15 (https://imslp.org/wiki/Fest-Ouvert%C3%BCre%2C_Op.15_(Ulrich%2C_Hugo)) (published 1859).

Perhaps a little bit after the period in question is Emil Hartmann (1836-1898)
Symphony No,1, Op.29 (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.1%2C_Op.29_(Hartmann%2C_Emil)) (published 1880).
Symphony No.2, Op.34 (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.2%2C_Op.34_(Hartmann%2C_Emil)) (composed and published in the early 1880s).

I don't know if any of the above have been commercially recorded. I have seen several of Hartmann's later symphonies posted on Youtube.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 01:17
op.29 is on youtube as no.4 in E-flat. no.2 is no.5 in A minor from the Age of Chivalry. no.3 op.42 by Hartmann which we only have arranged is on youtube as no.6 in D.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 09:19
QuotePerhaps a little bit after the period in question

No problem. As long as the works in question conform to UC's guidelines, please post away!
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 09:51
Bernhard Scholz (1836-1916) No.2 A minor, Op.80
https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.2%2C_Op.80_(Scholz%2C_Bernhard) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.2%2C_Op.80_(Scholz%2C_Bernhard))

Of the symphonists not featured at IMSLP, it would seem that Georg Vierling and Richard Wüerst might be worth pursuing. Any ideas, anyone?
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 10:15
I'd add Rietz' three symphonies to that not-available-at-IMSLP list, particularly No.3 which was highly regarded in its day. The first movement of No.1 has had a recent "online orchestra" performance, but that initiative doesn't seem to have been pursued.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 11:25
I would love to hear the symphonies of Gyula Major. There are at least 5, the last of which includes parts for soprano, contralto and baritone soloists. Ms full scores of all of them are held in the Hungarian State Library. I give below the details provided to me by their librarian:

Ms. mus. 956 Symphonia I.
Ms. mus. 957 Symfonie in c-moll III. Op. 25.
Ms. mus. 2.685  III. Symphonie. C-moll. Op. 25 Original handwritten score (autograph)
Ms. mus. 2.686 IV. Symphonie (Fis-moll) Op. 40.
Ms. mus. 6.202  IV. Symphonie. Original handwritten score (autograph)
Ms. mus. 2.684 Sinfonia in A. (On the title page: Nessunoz senza difetti)
Ms. mus. 2.687 V. Symphonie. Op. 79. [D-dur] Mit Sopran-, Alt- (nicht obligat) und Baryton-Solo.
Ms. mus. 7.885 Symphonie hongroise.
Ms. mus. 896 Symphonie V. op. 79. Für grosses Orchester und Gesang. Op. 79. Original manuscript.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 12:31
The 7 symphonies by Joseph Kuffner (1776-1856) may be a little early for us but on browsing the parts to e.g. the last of them, Op.164 in D, published in 1825, I can see cpo or somesuch company perhaps taking an interest.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 12:34
Gareth- does Szechenyi Library have Moór symphonies? I may have checked their opac[atalog] but ... (no, much to my surprise, they have practically nothing by Moór at all. Am I not searching properly? Weird...)

Moór's symphony in D minor is at some other libraries, though, including Columbia, Dartmouth and U. London Senate House.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Reverie on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 12:36
The list is certainly growing!

Just realised I have the Ulrich Op.6 all done barr the finale. I don't know why it never got finished as it's really very good. I'll crack on tomorrow  :)
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 13:27
It's been recorded, but the -score- of Anton Urspruch's symphony in E-flat would be good to have. That said, it's been put on IMSLP's wishlist for the composer and can be had at BSB, Landesbibliothek Mecklenburg-Vorpommern im Landesamt für Kultur und Denkmalpflege, Pancras and a Swiss library. That's probably offtopic...
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 15:47
Yes, interesting though that is, let's stay with the scores of unrecorded symphonies.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 18:40
Quotedoes Szechenyi Library have Moór symphonies?

Only one! You are quite right, Eric. They have very little by Moor. In fact, when I inquired about orchestral scores (this was in 2007) the librarian told me they had full scores of only two works:
Mus. pr. 13.877 Symphonie in d-moll. Op. 45.
Mus. pr. 7784 Sérénade hongroise. Op. 44.

The majority of Moor's mss are held by the Westminster Music Library, but they are not catalogued. I would need to visit the basement again (and I haven't been there for over 12 years) and go through the drawers to see what they actually have. There is a handwritten list of the archive, but my recollection is that a few of the items are missing (or not in the boxes they are supposed to be in). The following symphonies are listed: "Symphony No. 7 in C (full score), Symphony in D min (full score), Symphony No 5 (score & parts), Symphony in A minor (score & parts) [not sure if this is No. 8 or another copy of No. 5 - both are in A minor], Symphony in D min Op 44 (sic) (score & Parts), Symphony No 4 (ms score), Symphony No 6 [no details], Symphony No 1 (ms Score)". Additionally, in the main music catalogue (i.e. separate from the Moor archive) they have listed the printed Full Score and Parts of No. 7 in C, Op. 67.

The Emanuel und Henrik Moor Stiftung lists full scores of the following symphonies: Symphony in D minor, Op. 45 (1896), pub. Rozsavölgyi; Symphony No. 6 in E minor, Op. 65 (1906), pub. Siegel; and Symphony in C, WoO. 153 (1895), pub. Simrock - this is the one dedicated to Lajos Kossuth, and of which there is a performance on YouTube which has been discussed on this forum.

As you know, Fleisher has score and parts of the D minor, Op. 45 (i.e. No. 3) and the C major, WoO. 153 (i.e. No. 2) which they have wrongly catalogued as the Op. 67 Symphony in C.

That's all I can tell you about Moor's symphonies.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 18:50
IMSLP has, of course, WoO 153 in C (which we also had miscatalogued as Op.67 for awhile, but I seem to recall finding a movement listing of Op.67 and it doesn't even vaguely resemble that of WoO 153...) and Op.65 in E minor, but for now no others of his symphonies... I wonder how the effort to record and release WoO 153 is going :)
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 19:55
Although this is of interest, may I suggest that we keep this thread to the subject to the known locations of full scores which are available for download? Thanks.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 21:39
Hrm. I thought I had a link to Navràtil (not a misspelling of Nawràtil in this case, apparently)'s symphony in G minor, ms (1902, also available at Fleisher), digitized I think by Northwestern U?... but can't find it.
There's a number of libraries and other resources besides "the usual we know about already" that now have digitizing programs of the materials (either pd or that they have rights to) in progress, a partial list is at IMSLP but needs to be added to...
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 23 March 2021, 22:21
I'm perfectly happy for links to downloads which are available elsewhere to be posted here.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 24 March 2021, 14:11
Here's a few more.

Alex Taneyev's 3rd symphony in E: (not Sergei) https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.3,_Op.36_(Taneyev,_Aleksandr) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Symphony_No.3,_Op.36_(Taneyev,_Aleksandr)).

All 4 of Reber's symphonies, not just no.4, are online. The first 3 are at Gallica (eg symphony no.1 in d (https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb432260541)) and/or Hathitrust.Org.

I forget if this has been recorded, but Gallica also has some Théodore Dubois symphonies, eg
no.3 in A minor (https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb43647767n) (1915, autograph. Actually IMSLP has this too.)
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 25 March 2021, 12:43
Here's another: Théophile Ysaÿe (1865-1918)'s symphony no.2 of 1914 (manuscript full score, digitized by KBR Belgium (https://uurl.kbr.be/1745711).) Not the easiest to read, but seems to be in B major (or maybe in G-sharp minor). (Incidental thanks to the people who uploaded Tournemire's symphonies from BNF over to IMSLP :) )

Also, KBR-BE has the full score of the Kufferath symphony earlier mentioned - see here (https://uurl.kbr.be/1760769).
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: cypressdome on Saturday 27 March 2021, 02:24
QuoteAll 4 of Reber's symphonies, not just no.4, are online. The first 3 are at Gallica (eg symphony no.1 in d) and/or Hathitrust.Org.

The full scores for the 4 Reber symphonies are now available on IMSLP.  A Warning to potential typesetters: pages 50 and 51 in BNF's copy of Symphony No.1 are actually pages from his Symphony No.2.  I can't imagine that was an engraving error so it's possible BNF could re-scan the pages if someone requested.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 29 March 2021, 12:49
Has anyone informed BNF of this error yet (there's a link on the information page of each catalog entry to send feedback) or shall I? My French is poor but has proven adequate to this in the past because their librarians are good. (I believe so...)
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: FBerwald on Monday 29 March 2021, 19:32
Since I love the music of Benjamin Godard... besides his 3 recorded Symphonies - Symphonie gothique [Op. 23], No. 2 [Op. 57] & Symphonie orientale [Op. 84]

Le Tasse, Symphonie dramatique, Op. 39
https://imslp.org/wiki/Le_Tasse,_Op.39_(Godard,_Benjamin) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Le_Tasse,_Op.39_(Godard,_Benjamin))

Aurore, Symphonie descriptive, Op. 59
https://imslp.org/wiki/Aurore,_Op.59_(Godard,_Benjamin) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Aurore,_Op.59_(Godard,_Benjamin))

Symphonie-Ballet, Op. 60
https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb430177670 (https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb430177670)
https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb43017768b (https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb43017768b)

Symphonie légendaire en trois parties, Op. 99
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b525067148/f7.item (https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b525067148/f7.item)
not sure if this is the entire work of part of it.

Also what about his Symphony No. 1? I remember reading about it in the cpo booklet that only one of the 2 earlier works was lost and another was unpublished. I believe these 2 preceded No. 2, Op. 57
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 30 March 2021, 02:30
An excerpt from Godard's op.99 has been recorded as "Prière", a long time ago :)
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 03 April 2021, 17:01
I don't think the 2 symphonies of Fétis have been recorded. These sources may not be good enough and though hopefully there are better ones.
Symphony no.2 (https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001533608) ; Symphony no.1 (https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001533663).
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 03 April 2021, 17:59
The Symphony No,1 in E flat major certainly has, I have the Koch Schwann CD (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Symphony-1-Flat-Fetis/dp/B00008FA42). The performers are the Belgian Radio Symphony Orchestra conducted by Brian Priestman. It's a very engaging work, and is coupled with a rather less memorable Fantasy for organ and orchestra.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 03 April 2021, 18:43
ah, sorry!
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 05 April 2021, 17:37
any objection to a reasonable thread, always with links for people to check, but for string and orchestra concertos in full score and/or parts instead?
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 05 April 2021, 22:57
No, go ahead, Eric. Suggested thread title: String Concerto score wish-list.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: pcc on Sunday 16 May 2021, 02:02
What about Carl Gottlieb Reissiger's Symphony in E flat, op. 120 (1835)? The manuscript FS is in Berlin, but I think Schlesinger published parts and a four-hand piano arrangement in 1838. All I've heard and played by Reissiger seems to be of very good quality - both chamber and orchestral works. His melodic gift was exceptional, much more lyric than, say, Marschner, and his orchestration is masterful. Most people, if they know him at all, know the overture to his opera Die Felsenmuehle, but I've played in several of his piano trios and conducted a run through of his Yelva overture, which is better than Die Felsenmuehle.  He never disappoints me, at least.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: EarlyRomantic on Sunday 16 May 2021, 02:24
pcc, Ill eagerly second your endorsement of Reissiger. I think Die Felsenmuehle is irresistible. If, to you, the Yelva Overture surpasses it, Im very intrigued. Its fascinating that you have conducted a run-through. I like how you describe him, although I think very highly of Marschner, and enjoy his music just as much. Thanks for  a really worthy nomination.
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: pcc on Sunday 16 May 2021, 02:56
Yelva was something of a standard rep piece in the 19th and early 20th century with provincial orchestras; we used the Hawkes & Son "Standard Overtures" edition, which was aimed at theatre and large resort orchestras. You can hear a cut version (but brilliantly performed) by Arthur Pryor's Band on the Discography of American Historical Recordings. Pryor plays the entire introduction, but the Allegro consists of the recap and coda in order to fit it on a 12-inch 78 disc. Pryor conducts very expressively, and infuses the band with a lot of passion (a sure sign is the prominent ultra-low F in the tubas at the beginning and end).

What's evident here, and I've heard it in other Reissiger works, is that his melodic style has more Italianate lyric gestures than some of his contemporaries, and he also uses Italian-style four-note repeated rhythmic patterns. Anyway here's a link to the band version from 1909: https://adp.library.ucsb.edu/index.php/matrix/detail/200008010/C-7049-Yelva_overture
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: pcc on Sunday 16 May 2021, 03:21
One other thing about the Reissiger symphony - it's possible that the Staatsbibliothek in Berlin has scanned the manuscript, as I remember seeing its last page somewhere online, maybe on their website. Now to locate the Schlesinger parts - maybe in Vienna?
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 16 May 2021, 09:23
Just a quick reminder, if I may: this thread is about making use of scores that are actually available online...
Title: Re: Symphony wish-list @ IMSLP
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 17 May 2021, 15:49
and unfortunately as far as I can tell only the first violin part is available online for the Reissiger (at Polona, now mirrored at IMSLP (not by me). I will admit this is better than nothing, in that it gives a shape to the score, an idea to the set of its themes...). It's possible someone's digitized a reduction somewhere, though I haven't found it, but in the event I haven't found a -full- score or a more complete set of parts already online. (The autograph score (https://opac.rism.info/search?id=464122999&View=rism), dated 7. Juli. 35, is currently at Staatsbibliothek Berlin, but as yet undigitized. I suggest putting in a digitization request at D-B, and it could join our list...)