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The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: EarlyRomantic on Thursday 13 May 2021, 20:36

Title: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: EarlyRomantic on Thursday 13 May 2021, 20:36
Mention of the Musica Bavarica Label in a post on the entry for Puchtler instantly reminded me that Ive known for such a long time that one release in their catalogue contains Franz Lachners Harp Concerto in D minor. Ive always wondered about it, and would love to hear it. Lachner is a favorite for me, as are Romantic Harp Concertos. So, it could be very promising. Has anyone here heard or purchased it? Is Musica Bavarica a source from which CD's are easily obtainable?
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: adriano on Thursday 13 May 2021, 20:47
@ EarlyRomantic

it's still available at amazon:
https://www.amazon.de/Franz-Lachner-Carl-Cannabich-Friedrich/dp/B00SK5JPA8
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: terry martyn on Thursday 13 May 2021, 21:42
I had no idea!   I´ve just bought it and excited at the prospect of hearing it. Thank you, adriano!
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: EarlyRomantic on Thursday 13 May 2021, 22:36
Adriano, Thank you for your helpfulness! Also, while you are on this thread, let me say that I know who you are. I deeply admire your musical accomplishments. Your contributions to this forum are unique/ could only come from you. They enhance the musical experience of all of us who are members. Thank you sincerely for that, also. Terry, You will beat me to the purchase of this CD. Therefore, I will be grateful and excited to hear your response to the Harp Concerto.
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: Sharkkb8 on Thursday 13 May 2021, 23:55
I found a copy on ebay, and this seller appears to have several more available:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/252566620184?hash=item3ace24c818:g:skAAAOSwT5tWLjSu (https://www.ebay.com/itm/252566620184?hash=item3ace24c818:g:skAAAOSwT5tWLjSu)
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: EarlyRomantic on Friday 14 May 2021, 01:36
Sharkkb8,  Now, Thank You! I have ordered from this reputable seller. So, after what could be near a decade, a tantalizing "Wish List" item will enter my life! Though it will not be a surprise, it also shouldnt go without saying: Along with the undoubted scholarship of this forum, is the cross-pollenating atmosphere of willingness to share and help. Each member can recall many of their own episodes in which another member responded with information, research, guidance, or advice. Thank you, gentlemen, for placing me quickly and gratefully on the receiving end of that today.
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: adriano on Friday 14 May 2021, 05:27
Thanks, EarlyRomantic, for your kind words :-)
Glad to hear that you and terry martyn can now puchase this item!
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 May 2021, 16:29
Perhaps someone would kindly report back on the character/quality of this work?
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: Revilod on Friday 14 May 2021, 16:55
I've also always been curious about this work which is, surprisingly, the second of two harp concertos Lachner wrote.
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: terry martyn on Friday 14 May 2021, 17:09
Amazon.de has despatched the CD, with an arrival date of no later than the 29th. I will play it as soon as I receive it, and report back. Not only does it contain the Lachner work, but the Witt will be of considerable interest, as I have a number of his symphonies on vinyl and CD,and his flute concerto,which is early Romantic in style.
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: EarlyRomantic on Friday 14 May 2021, 18:30
My awareness of this recording dates from 10-15 years ago. I never forgot it, but what I didnt know was if it was still available/ in circulation. I thank Adriano for helping me to know that it is. I learned of this concerto, and, yes, the second one from The New Grove biography/ list of compositions for Lachner. The Harp Concertos are in C minor, and D minor. As if not one, but two Harp Concertos was not exciting and surprising enough, he also wrote a similarly early Bassoon Concerto. The fog of my memory wants me to say that it is also in a minor key. Ive enjoyed that the news of the concertos has excited some of you.
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: tpaloj on Friday 14 May 2021, 18:41
Thank you for all the details EarlyRomantic and Terry! I'm wondering if the bassoon concerto (E-flat major) has been recorded? He titled it as concertino and it seems to be a very early work. There's more info on RISM:

https://opac.rism.info/search?id=464122011&View=rism (https://opac.rism.info/search?id=464122011&View=rism)
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: adriano on Saturday 15 May 2021, 15:06
Lachner's Concertino seems to be available only in download form:
https://www.amazon.de/s?k=lachner+concertino&i=popular&__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&ref=nb_sb_noss
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: EarlyRomantic on Saturday 15 May 2021, 15:51
Adriano, Those links are not generous with full information, but Im wondering if that work is by Ignaz Lachner?( It rings a tiny bell). Id rather it be yet another composition by Franz! Most of all, thank you for continuing to explore this topic! I didnt expect this much interest to be stimulated by my original question.
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 15 May 2021, 16:51
I think it is IGNAZ Lachner's Concertino, Op. 43. Can't find a mention of any Concertino for bassoon and horn by FRANZ in any online worklists of his.
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 15 May 2021, 17:11
Gareth is correct, as this confirms (see faint print above 'Sinfonietta Riga / Claus Efland'):
https://www.challengerecords.com/products/1381238244

Here's the work by Ignaz Lachner, for those interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phkoogC3R4k

Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: terry martyn on Saturday 15 May 2021, 17:37
A bit of a coincidence, as  this CD is on top of tomorrow´s ´to play´pile.  There´s a pretty good programme on this disc, although, not surprisingly,the Danzi comes out on top, in my view.
By the way, I had better put my thoughts on the harp concerto on the Recordings site when DHL deliver it.........
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: adriano on Saturday 15 May 2021, 18:07
Oops, sorry for my mistake :-(
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: EarlyRomantic on Saturday 15 May 2021, 18:30
Not a mistake, Adriano. They were stingy with the name "Ignaz" on that site. I believe most of us, on seeing the name Lachner, would instantly think of Franz, not Ignaz or Vincenz.
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: terry martyn on Friday 21 May 2021, 08:12
Adriano was right all along about the bassoon concertino, now about to be released on cpo. See the new Lachner thread on Recordings and Broadcasts.
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 22 May 2021, 02:19
I'm REALLY confused. Here is one of two pieces (https://books.google.com/books?id=DeX6xYpGXBgC&pg=PA52) (from Kronseder's 1903 bio), not just one- the other is from 1856, by the way, so FPL was alive and could have corrected it- of online evidence that Franz Lachner wrote a bassoon concertino in 1826. Were the two different authors -both wrong- and the concertino in question was actually Ignaz's? I assume the concertino on cpo falls under the interdict one way or the other.
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 22 May 2021, 02:21
also, I looked in the recordings & broadcasts thread. Adriano gave no reason to doubt the authenticity of Kronseder or the earlier bio's attributing a 1826 bassoon concertino to Franz Paul Lachner, so I'm still confused. (Yes, if it turns out to be Ignaz's bassoon concertino and that work is authentically Ignaz Lachner's, then my mistake...)
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: cypressdome on Sunday 23 May 2021, 03:09
The E-flat major Bassoon Concertino in question appears to be this one at the Staatsbibliothek zu Berlin (https://opac.rism.info/search?id=464122011&View=rism).
Title: Re: Franz Lachner on Musica Bavarica Label
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 23 May 2021, 16:33
Thank you.