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Title: Maliszewski: Symphonies
Post by: mikehopf on Friday 21 May 2021, 04:50
Coming on Dux label in July a 4-CD set : 4 symphonies plus orchestral works by Maliszewski.
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Post by: mikehopf on Friday 21 May 2021, 04:54
Sorry: 3 CD set.
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Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 21 May 2021, 04:55
That's terrific news. Thanks.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 21 May 2021, 09:40
The artists involved are the Opole Philharmonic Orch, c.Pyrzemysław Neumann:
https://www.amazon.de/s?i=popular&rh=p_32%3AMaliszewski+%2F+Opole+Philharmonic+Orch+%2F+Neumann&language=en&ref=dp_byline_sr_music_1

Here's Symphony No.4 performed by the same team:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4bTBLVUWNs
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 21 May 2021, 12:54
Unfortunately, I can't find any information online anywhere that details the contents of this set. I would like to know what works other than the 4 symphonies are included. Has anyone fared better in their searches than I?
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Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 21 May 2021, 15:14
Nope! Me neither.
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Post by: mikehopf on Saturday 22 May 2021, 01:15
4 Symphonies plus:

Joyful Overture Op 11
Scherzo & Overture Honouring Schubert
Fairy Tale Op 30
Legend Op 31



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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 22 May 2021, 01:31
Thank you very much. Where did you find that info.?
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Post by: mikehopf on Saturday 22 May 2021, 01:33
https://play.qobuz.com/album/h1n6nhzz93lcc
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 22 May 2021, 09:44
Thank you.
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Post by: Christopher on Monday 24 May 2021, 14:36
We already have the 4th symphony played by that orchestra & conductor here in our Downloads - http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,7794.msg81537.html#msg81537 (http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,7794.msg81537.html#msg81537)

Symphony No.4 in D major Odrodzonej i odnalezionej Ojczyznie (Reborn & Recovered Homeland) Op.21 (1925)

It was a live concert recording on 11 November 2018, from Polish radio I believe.

Either a pretty awful piece or a pretty awful performance - or both, IMHO IIRC! Unmemorable and lifeless.
Title: Re: Maliszewski: Symphonies
Post by: Christopher on Monday 24 May 2021, 15:33
Quote from: Alan Howe on Friday 21 May 2021, 09:40
The artists involved are the Opole Philharmonic Orch, c.Pyrzemysław Neumann:
https://www.amazon.de/s?i=popular&rh=p_32%3AMaliszewski+%2F+Opole+Philharmonic+Orch+%2F+Neumann&language=en&ref=dp_byline_sr_music_1


FYI here's the UK amazon page - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Symphonic-Works-Maliszewski-Philharmonic-Neumann/dp/B0955HN5RF/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Symphonic+Works+maliszewski&qid=1621866794&sr=8-2 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Symphonic-Works-Maliszewski-Philharmonic-Neumann/dp/B0955HN5RF/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=Symphonic+Works+maliszewski&qid=1621866794&sr=8-2)

(https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71YRyCWpCGS.__AC_SX300_SY300_QL70_ML2_.jpg)
Title: Re: Maliszewski: Symphonies
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 24 May 2021, 15:52
I must confess I found No.4 dreary too. Utterly awful.
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Post by: Christopher on Monday 24 May 2021, 16:40
DUX seem to go in for these box releases whereby you have to buy loads of what you don't want in order to get anything at all.  I already have his Symphonies 1,3 and 4 and the Joyful (or "Festive") Overture - do I really want to buy them again to get the other pieces...?
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Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 24 May 2021, 17:48
I'll be giving this a miss.
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Post by: terry martyn on Monday 24 May 2021, 18:23
I would like to obtain a recording of his First. Apart from the DUX boxed set,which label is it currently on?
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Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 24 May 2021, 18:36
none I know of, just an aircheck.
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Post by: Christopher on Tuesday 25 May 2021, 15:21
Quote from: terry martyn on Monday 24 May 2021, 18:23
I would like to obtain a recording of his First. Apart from the DUX boxed set,which label is it currently on?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4hoWoREtPg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4hoWoREtPg) - if that helps...
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 25 May 2021, 17:25
Wikipedia lists 5 symphonies by Maliszewski. Does anyone know anything about the 5th Symphony? - not that I shall be rushing to look at it if it is anything like the 4th. I would like to hear No. 2 though - and No. 1 is an attractive work.
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Post by: terry martyn on Tuesday 25 May 2021, 17:56
I knew about the YouTube rendition of the First, but wasn´t sure if it was pirated from an ancient vinyl recording or was a radio performance
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Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 26 May 2021, 17:58
Performers in that recording are Łukasz Borowicz and the Polish Radio Symphony, and I'm guessing it's a radio recording (the source given @ Euroclassic Notturno is PLPR, but sometimes that's consistent with a commercial recording being broadcast by a radio station so it's not determinative. Don't know. Yes, the only recent orchestral CD before this is sym.3 & piano concerto on Dutton...)
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 02 July 2021, 09:18
Audio extracts from the new Dux box set available here (https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8919968--maliszewski-symphonic-works).
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Post by: jonah on Friday 02 July 2021, 19:14
All works can be heard in full on Spotify
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Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 15 October 2021, 22:34
I changed my mind and ordered the set some weeks ago. Today it turned up - and so far, so good. Symphony No.1 (1902) is a riot of a piece, its style clearly Tchaikovsky/Rimsky-Korsakov/Glazunov plus. By the way, recording and playing are absolutely superb - and there are excellent booklet notes.
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 15 October 2021, 22:50
By coincidence I was listening to his Symphony No.2 in the car this afternoon and enjoyed the first two movements very much - a very strong Glazunov influence I thought. Some of the shorter orchestral works in the set are empty, uninspired fare though, and one mustn't forget that dismal Symphony No.4.
Title: Re: Maliszewski: Symphonies
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 17 October 2021, 20:25
Yes, no.2 is a fine piece - more confident, I think, than no.1 - but it has an identity problem. This fine music could be by anyone - a bit of Tchaikovsky here, a bit of Glazunov there - but, once one has accepted this, it matters little because the enjoyment factor is so high.

As long as one doesn't expect to remember it afterwards...
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Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 17 October 2021, 21:07
The stylistic development evident in Symphony No.3 is significant. In has come a major dollop of chromatic writing, giving the piece in its climactic moments a new wildness and power. So, how did this come about? Whose music had Maliszewski encountered between 1905 and 1907? Scriabin? Miaskovsky? Szymanowski? Other composers of the Young Poland school such as Grzegorz Fitelberg, Ludomir Różycki, Mieczysław Karłowicz and Apolinary Szeluto?

At all events, this is much more exciting stuff.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 17 October 2021, 22:31
No.4 certainly has its magnificent moments in the Dux set, but it does seem to get bogged down in chromaticism too often for its own good. However, since the advocacy here is so stupendous, with such superb playing and recording, I'll certainly be revisiting this...
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Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 18 October 2021, 06:16
I'm not sure what music by Myaskovsky Maliszewski could have encountered - in performance anyway - before 1907, just offhand.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 18 October 2021, 09:09
You're right, Eric. His orchestral music dates from after that period.
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Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 18 October 2021, 15:29
I think some of it may be from earlier and even maybe performed earlier but to very restricted audiences (university?) - I'm not sure, would have to check. OTOH the influences on Mya's earlier music, eg Scriabin and Tchaikovsky, were probably more often performed.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 18 October 2021, 17:37
The major 'leap' in Maliszewski's sylistic development is between Symphonies 2 and 3 - as I said, between 1905 and 1907 - so the issue is how he turns from a Glazunov soundalike into someone more radical...
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Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 18 October 2021, 18:41
Does it sound anything at all like his teacher Rimsky's works of those last few years (of Rimsky's life), ooc?... ... or alternately, like Szymanowski's works of the period, which maybe Maliszewski might have heard (including the unpublished but performed, iirc, first symphony, and the concert overture)?
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Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 18 October 2021, 18:53
No.3 is way beyond Rimsky in terms of chromaticism. Szymanowski would be nearer - or even Strauss.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 19 October 2021, 22:37
No.4 is an odd mix of styles. I don't think the juxtaposition of faux naïvety and sophisticated dissonance really works, although it's so well done in this performance that I was persuaded to stick with it. And its ending is of the 'let's throw in the kitchen sink' variety, which is genuinely exciting.

To sum up: Nos. 1 and 2 are fun pieces along traditional lines; No.3 is a big step forward and merits further investigation; but No.4 doesn't really add anything of great interest. 

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Post by: terry martyn on Wednesday 20 October 2021, 13:51
As someone who was really taken by surprise by Paul Juon´s early pre-Berlin Symphony, I had hopes of enjoying Maliszewski´s First,and,maybe,his Second. This expensive box set contains a lot of music that I am sure I won´t like, and I dislike paying for so much I won´t want. I don´t adapt well to most of Debussy and Delius,the vast majority of Richard Strauss,and  all of Medtner and Reger, so I think my tastes are more conservative than a lot of my peers. Glazunov (at least until his well ran dry) I am fond of,but if I ask the question: would someone I respect such as Reinecke have stomached any of Maliszewski, I think I know the answer.
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Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 20 October 2021, 13:55
This is one of those times I'm glad I'm paying for a monthly streaming subscription as of late last year, since the Maliszewski , unlike some things, is available there...
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Post by: der79sebas on Wednesday 20 October 2021, 14:18
By the way, does anybody know anything about Maliszewski's Fifth Symphony? It is mentioned in the wikipedia article on Maliszewski but seems nonexistent elsewhere.
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 20 October 2021, 15:41
Quite. Unfinished, I suspect.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 20 October 2021, 17:09
For someone who enjoys Glazunov and no further, as it were, the first two symphonies here will go down a treat. It just depends on whether it's thought worthwhile to acquire a lot of other music.
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Post by: Holger on Wednesday 20 October 2021, 19:10
I have also thought about the Fifth Symphony – some sources mention "five symphonies" but I have never came across anything concrete.

One possibility is actually that by mistake (more or less), Maliszewski's contribution to the 1928 Schubert symphony competition might have been counted as "Symphony No. 5". Indeed, he wrote two movements for this (well-known, of course) competition, a Scherzo partially based on Schubert's sketches and a finale, i.e. he was one the composers who really tried a (sort of) completion of the Unfinished. They were finally labeled 'Scherzo and Overture in Honour of Schubert' and they are also included in this disc set (in particular the finale is an oddity which I find mildly amusing). It does not sound completely unreasonable to me that this is the work which is meant when some sources mention a Fifth Symphony but of course this is just a guess.
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 20 October 2021, 19:12
For me, as a lover of Glazunov's music, the first two symphonies were enjoyable if undemanding listens, and the Third showed Maliszewski gaining his own voice and showing more individuality while still pretty much within the same overall aesthetic, but if the Fourth shows his individuality in full bloom then I'm afraid that I didn't find it much to my liking, as I found it overblown, cloyingly chromatic and melodically undistinguished. Most of the shorter works in the set seem rather unmemorable too, I'm sorry to say. I did buy the box, but should really have sampled it more thoroughly on Spotify before I did so.
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 20 October 2021, 20:13
I think the 3rd Symphony and the Piano Concerto are Maliszewski's best orchestral works - and Dutton has given us those on one disk, so I am not tempted to buy this set.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 20 October 2021, 21:56
I'm pleased I bought the set, mainly because the performances and recording are so fine - in fact, they're a pleasure in themselves.
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Post by: britishcomposer on Saturday 10 December 2022, 12:21
I know the radio broadcast of Symphony no. 1 for several years. Now I listened to Symphony no. 2 via spotify and wondered about the scherzo: I have heard this before! After comparing the scores it became obvious that spotify - and probably other streaming services as well - have swapped the scherzo mouvements of no. 1 and no. 2.
I noticed the same error when trying the samples at presto. So be warned if you stream or buy the digital release!