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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 11 May 2022, 15:29

Title: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 11 May 2022, 15:29
...forthcoming from MDG:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/streichquartett-5-7/hnum/10937037
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 11 May 2022, 17:47
It'll be the Fifth Quartet's recording premiere, but the third recording of No.7.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 11 May 2022, 18:31
Aha! A Raff premiere! Mouthwatering...
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 11 May 2022, 19:17
Yes. It will be worth hearing. But I hope CPO will not be long in completing their cycle.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 11 May 2022, 21:34
Whenever the cpo recording is released, it was recorded earlier (2019? 2020?) than this one, so "recording premiere" depends on definition.  (There is meanwhile a more than serviceable rendition of the 5th quartet @ https://imslp.org/wiki/String_Quartet_No.5%2C_Op.138_(Raff%2C_Joachim) (https://imslp.org/wiki/String_Quartet_No.5%2C_Op.138_(Raff%2C_Joachim)), but I wouldn't disagree that the MDG and cpo recordings are likely to be better.)
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 11 May 2022, 21:47
'Premiere CD release', then. OK, Eric?  ;)
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: matesic on Thursday 12 May 2022, 07:39
Aw Eric, you are kind. I'm delighted to see the first movement of my hack-through has had all of 456 downloads in a decade. More than half of them listened to the other three movements as well! A few hundred more have found it on youtube, not put there by me but by a wicked algorithm.

By the way, IMSLP's "Play" button doesn't work for me any more but "Download" initiates streaming and it takes a couple more clicks to actually download the file. Does everyone have the same experience with audio files on IMSLP?
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 12 May 2022, 07:58
Steve, your rendition of the Fifth Quartet has stood me in good stead over quite a few years now - but I'm pleased that I can now allow it to enjoy a very well earned retirement :)
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: matesic on Thursday 12 May 2022, 08:17
Mark, thanks for giving me the prompt way back then. My favourite of Raff's quartets that you directed me to is No.8, his ingenious "Suite in Canon Form", which has emerged on CPO and can be streamed by subscribers to the Naxos Music Library or IMSLP. The Mannheimer Streichquartett are absolutely the real deal.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: John Boyer on Wednesday 13 July 2022, 18:34
Well, it's here!  Never thought I'd see the day that I'd have all Raff's quartets on CD. (Truth be told, 25 years ago I never thought I'd see the day I'd have any of Raff's quartets on CD.)  So now I'm getting used to #5, which makes a tip of the hat to classical models, just as 6 & 8 look back to the baroque.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 13 July 2022, 22:05
Amazon keep putting back my delivery estimate - it's slipped three weeks to 22 July...
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 13 July 2022, 22:16
Same problem for me too, Presto tells me.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: John Boyer on Wednesday 13 July 2022, 23:37
I pre-ordered mine on JPC some time ago, though clearly I did my share of waiting past the availability date, too.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 14 July 2022, 12:02
You must have got an early copy. Jpc say that the CD was released on 3rd June (a likely story!), but that there's now a waiting time of 4 weeks for delivery (plus postage time from Germany, of course). Hmmm....
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 16 July 2022, 22:14
My delivery has slipped a further week until 29 July.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 16 July 2022, 22:54
Presto are still quoting 22nd July, but it's the weekend...
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 19 July 2022, 11:06
...and now they're quoting 29th July too.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 26 July 2022, 13:03
Further slippage: it's now 5th August.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 26 July 2022, 19:34
Yes, me too from Amazon. You were very lucky, John.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 28 July 2022, 10:35
Even further slippage: it's now 12th August.

Is that the sound of Christmas carols...?
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 04 August 2022, 22:55
It's now 19th August.  >:(
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: John Boyer on Friday 05 August 2022, 03:00
Quote from: Alan Howe on Thursday 04 August 2022, 22:55It's now 19th August.  >:(

If you'd like, I could put in a good word for you.  Sometimes you have to "speak a little German" to people to get them moving.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 05 August 2022, 03:47
... no it isn't? Er, seriously, maybe wait a few days first and see if it is out by the 12th after all...
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 05 August 2022, 09:58
I've asked Presto to make enquiries with the UK distributor.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 11 August 2022, 20:46
Delivery estimate now slipped to 26 August.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: John Boyer on Thursday 11 August 2022, 21:55
Is this delay true of all new MD+G releases, or just the Raff?
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: semloh on Friday 12 August 2022, 05:28
Is the delay just for UK customers? Aren't I right in thinking that there's a serious long-term shortage of truck drivers and lots of deliveries are affected?
just think how pleased you'll be when it arrives. I suppose that is one advantage of downloads over physical media.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 12 August 2022, 08:03
Well it would be if MDG did downloads. Otherwise, I agree.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 12 August 2022, 09:20
I'm going to interrogate the UK distributor later today...
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 12 August 2022, 13:10
The CD is certainly not in the UK distributor's warehouse. More anon...
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 12 August 2022, 16:51
Apparently the person responsible for despatching CDs from MDG to the UK distributor has been unwell; there has also been a hold-up at the port in Germany from which the CDs are shipped to the UK. 

I understand that the most likely release date will now be early September.

I can also report that CDs ordered from jpc in Germany are taking 2-3 weeks to arrive, compared with about 5 days a few months ago.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 25 August 2022, 10:10
Good news! My copy's on its way from Presto!
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 25 August 2022, 11:35
It's just me then :(
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 25 August 2022, 12:08
How about cancelling your Amazon order and giving Presto a ring on 01926 886883 as they're saying they've got it in stock?
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9330015--joachim-raff-string-quartets-no-5-op-13-no-7-op-192-2
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 25 August 2022, 13:09
The reason I ordered from Amazon, which I wouldn't normally do, is that I had a gift card which was about to expire (and would have expired by now), so I used that to pay for the CD. I'll just hang on till next weekend...
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 25 August 2022, 16:36
Oh, I see. I'm sure another week or so won't matter, then.

I hope to be able to report on the CD, particularly on SQ5, in a day or two.

Excerpts now available at jpc:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/streichquartett-5-7/hnum/10937037
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 30 August 2022, 17:19
SQ5 is everything you might expect from Raff: wonderful craftsmanship, dynamism, melodiousness, rhythmic surprises. In short, this is magnificent string quartet writing which every ensemble worth their salt should be playing. Its neglect is an unfathomable mystery. You will be astonished at its mastery.

Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Sharkkb8 on Saturday 03 September 2022, 10:50
Just a minor quick thing - MDG's back cover lists the #5 quartet as "C major", while virtually everywhere else I look, I see G major.  This is the sort of thing that is often readily noticed around here, and I did a quick search to see if it had been addressed....apologies if I missed it somewhere.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 03 September 2022, 11:22
MDG have got it wrong throughout. Grrr - I hadn't spotted that. Good job the performance and recording are so good.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 03 September 2022, 11:45
Definitely G major. My copy of the CD is waiting for me when I get home.
Title: Re: Raff String Quartets 5 & 7
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 06 September 2022, 14:44
I've at last got my hands on this CD and must say that the Leipzig Quartet's performances of both works are first rate. For No.7, Die Schöne Müllerin, they have competition and there's little to choose between the three alternatives, any one of which would be a good choice. For me, the Mannheim Quartet on cpo give a rather more relaxed and cosy rendition than the Quartetto di Milano on Tudor, who lend it just a little more urgency, stopping some of the movements lapsing into salon territory. The Leipzigers give a very similar interpretation and benefit from a more open acoustic, making their new recording my first choice. This is the recording premiere of No.5, so all eight string quartets are now available in various combinations on CD. It's a sunny, angst-free work which gets a very persuasive performance here, the Leipzig Quartet really do seem to understand Raff's intentions, in the same way that Tra Nguyen's piano performances seem to inhabit the spirit of his works. This CD should be a must-buy for any Raff enthusiast.