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Title: Korngold Symphony
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 January 2011, 22:57
If you don't know Korngold's remarkable Symphony of 1951-2, allow me to give an enthusiastic recommendation to the new recording of it on Pentatone, featuring Marc Albrecht conducting the Strasbourg PO in wonderful sound. This time David Hurwitz has got it spot-on...
http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=13070 (http://www.classicstoday.com/review.asp?ReviewNum=13070)
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: albion on Friday 14 January 2011, 23:12
I would certainly echo Alan's enthusiastic endorsement of Korngold's Symphony (in fact pretty much his entire output, from the chamber music to the operas and film scores). Lush Romanticism (with an unapologetic capital R), sublime melodic inspiration and phenomenal orchestral technique.

I have Edward Downes recording of this work (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Korngold-Orchestral-BBC-Philharmonic-Orchestra/dp/B000000ARX/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1295046205&sr=8-5 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Korngold-Orchestral-BBC-Philharmonic-Orchestra/dp/B000000ARX/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1295046205&sr=8-5)) which I would rate very highly - the only problem is that the typical Chandos 'house' reverberation plays havoc with the denser passages in the fast-paced Finale. Although as a rule (due to increasing square-yardage of CDs) I generally avoid duplication on disc, I might just have to give this new recording a try ...
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 January 2011, 23:16
I have never heard Downes in this work, but the Albrecht may well be the answer: technically it's an absolute tour-de-force.
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Friday 14 January 2011, 23:34
I feel tempted by this new recording. I had the Chandos recording,but always felt disappointed by the finale which seemed to be a little thin on material & go on far to long for it's own good. At present I have the emi Korngold twofer with Welser- Most conducting. Hopefully the new performance tightens up the finale a little. In fact the emi reading seems tauter.
  Must say here, I am a bit baffled by the contrasting lack of interest in his earlier 'Sinfonietta',(albeit,maybe not here),which is, despite it's title,a large scale symphony,in all but name. Astonishingly precocious. In one fell sweep Korngold created the Hollywood movie sound years before the first 'talkie' ever hit the 'silver screen'.
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: albion on Friday 14 January 2011, 23:42
Quote from: Pengelli on Friday 14 January 2011, 23:34
I am a bit baffled by the contrasting lack of interest in his earlier 'Sinfonietta'
Absolutely - the Sinfonietta should be in the repertoire of major orchestras the world over, as should Sursum Corda, Op. 13 (1919) and the Schauspiel Overture, Op.4 (1911), written when Korngold was just 14!  :o
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: mbhaub on Saturday 15 January 2011, 00:18
The new Pentatone recording is the ONE to have. I have all of them, and this one blows them all out of the water. And it's not just the recorded sound, which is A+. It's the conducting: he really makes it dramatic, razor sharp rhythm, and wide dynamics. As much as I like Downes, De Priest, Welser-Most, and Kempe, this one is just brilliant. It's kind of like the Furtwangler 2nd when Barenboim finally did it. Back to Korngold: he died a heartbroken man, feeling time had passed him by and he would be forgotten. Can you imagine how astonished he would be to see the vast catalog of cds of his music?
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Saturday 15 January 2011, 01:34
Not to denigrate the achievement of a great composer like Strauss,but some of his lesser tone poems seem quite bombastic in comparison,yet they get played to death. 'Don Quixote' is him at his best,but as one critic pointed out,with respect to 'An Alpine Symphony',after you get to the top it's downhill all the way! The symphonic works of Korngold would make an exciting change in our concert halls,and like Shrecker,Zemlinsky and the tragically short lived Rudi Stephan,he has his own very distinctive sound world.
  To be fair to Downes,he was usually pretty good at tightening up this sort of thing. Just,as an example, look at his exciting reading of Gliere's 3rd symphony. I feel he did more than anyone to change peoples perception of it as a huge dramatic symphony instead of just a sprawling,nationalistic tone poem.
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: edurban on Saturday 15 January 2011, 03:04
The only recording of this that really seriously misfires is Previn.  Slow, deathly slow.  I've been loyal to Kempe since lp days, but the sound is not up to the modern standard.  Downes was solid but missed the magic imho, and was given away years ago.  Sure, I'll try the new one!

David
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Saturday 15 January 2011, 17:07
Previn was/is always a bit self indulgent,although with his showbiz credentials.....what was it,Morecambe and Wise? I never liked his over praised Gershwin,mind. As to the Downes,it got sold to the lady in the market. I hope Albrecht does the 'Sinfonietta',although I do think Downes did a pretty good job of that and he WAS one of my favourite conductors. I rather liked the under rated Bryden Thomson too,but I really don't think he had the right temperament for Korngold!!! Incidentally,conducting seems to be a precarious job these days,if you want to live long. If it's not your health you go, like Mata,in a plane!
  Another fantastic symphony with a problem finale is Enescu's Second. It's as if he got that far & just couldn't quite work out the best way to end it. It just goes on and on! Another job for Albrecht?  Fortunately,Korngold doesn't seem to have as much trouble as that,and having listened to Welser-Most,I do think it was mainly down to Downes conducting. For the first time I remember getting to the end of it and wondering why I ever had a problem with it.
  Which brings me to other symphonies with 'dodgy' finales,like Brian's 'Das Siegeslied'. Could someone like Albrecht actually make THAT one work?
  I will buy the Albrecht,(but not yet,as I just splashed out on Solti's 'Marriage of Figaro'. I like Lucia Popp). But if it beats Most,(Welser,not Mickey),it MUST be good!
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: mbhaub on Sunday 16 January 2011, 00:40
The Sinfonietta has had at least two knockout recordings: Andrew Litton with the Dallas Symphony on Dorian which is coupled with a fine violin concerto, and then a harder to get version from Varujan Kojian with the Utah Symphony on Varese Sarabande, which can be downloaded from iTunes. It is an amazing work, especially when you consider how young Korngold was when he wrote it.

The problem with Previn is he boring as he got older. When he was young, his recordings were thrilling. His years with the London Symphony were terrific, but then when he re-recorded some music with the Royal Philharmonic the magic was gone. The Rachmaninoff 2nd is a great example of what went wrong. His Prokofieff Romeo and Juliet is still my favorite version almost 40 years on. And his version of the Korngold Violin Concerto is pretty darn good, too.
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: TerraEpon on Sunday 16 January 2011, 06:49
Eh, Previn was great in the Ravel operas, as well as their couplings, however....but that's off the topic.

As for Korngold, the only one I own is on the CPO 4 disc set. I imagine that's considered of low standard compared to others....
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 16 January 2011, 13:45
Though only unsung in the US ;), I will put in a word for Previn's cycle of the Vaughan Williams symphonies as quite a good one (not trying to compare Previn or Slatkin to Boult, but still glad that they have their recordings out there. I have all of Previn's set and enjoy it. And Boult's also, I believe.) (And his Elgar 1, also.)
Anyhow, back to our regularly scheduled programming. Having mentioned Slatkin, I heard on radio or on a tape, I think I recall, a very good Ropartz sym. 5 by him some years back, my introduction to the symphony though not to the composer- but that's way off-topic for this thread, though less so for this forum than this post is :) )
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: chill319 on Wednesday 19 January 2011, 03:19
I have and enjoy many Boult recordings, and I grew up with his and Barbirolli's VW, but it was Previn who first made sense of VW's symphony 9 for me -- no small achievement considering Boult's apparent advantages.
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Thursday 20 January 2011, 16:46
Went off to the shop a little while ago for some milk & stuff,and my trust hi-tech Roberts transistor radio caught the Classical music programme on 'France Inter',(6 days a week at approx 3.05pm gmt & no annoying ads)) on good old Long Wave radio,(no ipods here so I got the cash till,as wel!). Suddenly realised they were playing the Korngold Symphony. I wonder which recording?
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Thursday 20 January 2011, 17:30
Not being a fluent french speaker (!),can anyone tell me what this radio programme is actually called in english? I mean 3pm,uk time,not in France. The programme should be listed on the website of the station. It's lightweight & nice to listen on the way to the shop,but not (extremely)annoying like Classic FM,and the French language is,um,rather nice!
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: Glazier on Friday 21 January 2011, 14:01
 
Quote from: Pengelli on Thursday 20 January 2011, 17:30
Not being a fluent french speaker (!),can anyone tell me what this radio programme is actually called in english? I mean 3pm,uk time,not in France. The programme should be listed on the website of the station. It's lightweight & nice to listen on the way to the shop,but not (extremely)annoying like Classic FM,and the French language is,um,rather nice!

I just had a look at France Inter's web site.

They have a classical programme called les grands concerts, but there was no sign of anything unsung.

http://sites.radiofrance.fr/franceinter/em/lesgrandsconcerts/

The national orchestra which is associated with radio france has its information in a PDF:

http://sites.radiofrance.fr/chaines/concerts09/abonnes/index.php?IDA=94

Presumably the concerts are recorded and broadcast, so watch out for the Zemlinsky Lyric Symphony in the spring.





Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: Pengelli on Friday 21 January 2011, 16:27
Thanks. It's just a change from R3,if you're out walking & LW uses less batteries. Prorammes usually have a theme. One week it was women composers & I heard part of the Alice Mary Smith symphony,but unfortunately something came up. They must have a powerful transmitter.
I'll have a look at that PDF. Haven't heard the Zemlinsky.
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: M. Henriksen on Saturday 19 March 2011, 20:45
A new recording of Korngold's Symphony on its way. This time from Ondine:
http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Erich-Wolfgang-Korngold-Symphonie-op-40/hnum/2661277 (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Erich-Wolfgang-Korngold-Symphonie-op-40/hnum/2661277)


Morten
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: mbhaub on Sunday 20 March 2011, 01:54
Thanks for the heads-up. Open wallet. Extract money...
The Korngold is following the same pattern as the Schmidt 4th: another recording with a 2nd-tier orchestra, a generally unknown conductor, and plain old DDD sound. Both works need advocacy by big names, on big labels (are there any left?) and in SACD sound. Maybe the chance for the Korngold to every become mainstream is long past; too bad the likes of Karajan, Solti, Klemperer, Ormandy, Szell, Bohm and a few others didn't do it.
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 20 March 2011, 13:32
It's great that the symphony is getting some recordings. However, one need not have any reservations about, for example, the recent recording on Pentatone. I can assure friends that the Strasbourg orchestra perform to world-class standards and that the sound quality is wonderful. We may not know much about conductor Marc Albrecht either, but, after this CD, we should all sit up and take notice. It's also in SACD!!
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: alberto on Sunday 20 March 2011, 15:10
I have attended three concerts conducted by M.Albrecht (son of conductor Georg Alexander A.) in about five years  with Italian Radio Orchestra (Bartok-Bruckner, Mahler, R.Strauss).
Any time he appeared a very good technician who succeeded in getting good results (above the average level) from an orchestra he didn't know well and met one time in two years.
Title: Re: Korngold Symphony
Post by: mbhaub on Monday 23 May 2011, 04:38
I just had to re-awaken this thread. One week ago the new Ondine recording of the Korngold symphony was delivered. I've been listening to it over and over. I just gotta say this: this is a terrific recording...with one complaint. The orchestra plays quite well (the Helskini Phil), the conductor, Storsgard,  was unknown to me obviously knows, and clearly loves, this music. The whole symphony is just beautifully done, and there are details I can see in the score but I've never heard in any of the other recordings. Any misgivings are gone. Of the eight or so versions I have, this one is one of the very best. THe complaint: the bass clarinet has one of the edgiest, harshest tones I've ever heard. It almost sounds like there's a squeak just ready to pop out. It never does, but the edgy sound grates on the ear when listening with headphones.

The diskmate- a previously unknown, and unrecorded  work (Dance in an olden style) is delightful - Korngold at his best. The slow, melancholic middle section is beautiful beyond words. This one short work by itself is worth the price of the disk, and essential for Korngold fans.

I don't know what Ondine's secret is, but given this recording and the sensational new Mahler 6th that company is on a roll!