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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Thursday 17 November 2022, 22:18

Title: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 17 November 2022, 22:18
...forthcoming from BIS (featuring fortepiano):
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9377883--johann-wilhelm-wilms-the-piano-concertos-vol-2

Try Op.55 in E flat. Wonder who he'd been listening to?!! Plagiarism corner...
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 18 November 2022, 09:25
Fascinating! And attractive music - pity about the fortepiano. I cannot believe Wilms would have been other than delighted to hear his concertos played on a more modern instrument.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: semloh on Friday 18 November 2022, 10:32
Sorry, Gareth but I think it sounds gorgeous - and I love the fortepiano! I'm sure Wilms would have been delighted to hear his music played so wonderfully on the instrument for which it was written. ;D
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 18 November 2022, 11:39
Well, we can't agree about everything. I am glad you like the sound. I just don't think it serves a grand and obviously Beethoven inspired creation as well as would a modern concert grand. To my ears it works better for the earlier concertos recorded on the first BIS disk.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 18 November 2022, 12:28
I agree with Gareth but, unlike the 'tinkly' first volume, this is a must for me on account of the later concerti featured.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: terry martyn on Friday 18 November 2022, 15:35
I thought that volume one could safely be given a miss for the same sort of reasons, but I reckon I will have to have this one, as we are into our territory here.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: terry martyn on Sunday 20 November 2022, 12:23
I have changed my mind, and will be getting both volumes. The reasons are:
1) I forgot that this is his 250th anniversary
2) I read on amazon.de a couple of complimentary reviews about the musical intelligence of vol 1
3) it would be good to listen to his musical progression over the whole cycle.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 20 November 2022, 14:37
I intend to listen to them myself, and also that Concertzender, if they are still doing those Dutch Composer of the Month series and if they update them (they had a fine series on Wilms quite awhile back, but before these discs were recorded), will include parts of them in a later run :)
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 20 November 2022, 14:48
I see from the worklist at IMSLP that Wilms wrote 2 further PCs, both without opus number: one in E minor (1815) and one with no key ascribed to it, dated 1823. I wonder if these exist and whether they will comprise a Volume 3.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Ilja on Monday 21 November 2022, 08:33
The Nederlands Muziekinstituut lists another (https://opac-gonext.oclc.org/DB=9/SET=6/TTL=1/SHW?FRST=2) in C major, Op. 12 from about 1803. The listing is a bit unclear as to the condition of the material, claiming that there are "only the cello and double bass parts", but also mentioning "14 parts".
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 21 November 2022, 08:48
The C major, op. 12 is recorded on Vol. 1, together with the op. 3 harpsichord concerto in E major (played on fortepiano) and the D major piano concerto, op. 26.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Ilja on Monday 21 November 2022, 09:51
Ah, missed that. Thanks.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 21 December 2022, 23:05
The E flat concerto is an absolute hoot. How to write a complete rip-off the Emperor concerto with a fraction of Beethoven's genius. Well worth a listen, though...
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: terry martyn on Thursday 22 December 2022, 01:45
I am longing to hear it,Alan, when Presto finally get round to despatching my order.  Can't wait!
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 22 December 2022, 07:03
QuoteWell worth a listen, though
I couldn't agree more. It's thoroughly derivative but thoroughly enjoyable, despite the forte piano.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 22 December 2022, 11:54
Ronald Brautigam plays superbly, though. Wonderful articulation and pearlescent runs! (Do I get into Pseuds Corner for that description? ;) )
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 22 December 2022, 14:44
I had the pearlescent runs once, it wasn't pleasant! But seriously, yes, Brautigam is excellent.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 23 December 2022, 18:01
Very nasty!

On further listening, Wilms' E flat concerto turns out only to be superficially Beethovenian; OK, it has obvious copyings, but mostly it's in the more florid tradition of, say, Hummel. In that respect I find it rather schizophrenic. Both the heroic (Beethoven) and florid (Hummel) are present, but what is the work's true identity?
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 23 December 2022, 22:27
Wilms has neither Beethoven's nor even Hummel's originality and his concerto is a celebration of eclecticism, it's a work reflecting the dominant trends in music at the time. That's its identity, to be a mirror. But enjoyable, for all that.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 23 December 2022, 22:59
I'm glad it's been recorded, but the only reason for doing it again would be to have a version with piano.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 24 December 2022, 09:16
True.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Ilja on Saturday 24 December 2022, 09:55
For all its shortcomings I'm still glad this is being recorded, not least because Wilms was a very important composer for the development of Dutch music. He introduced a lot of German and central European music to the country, and also wrote the music to the national anthem (Wien Neêrlands Bloed door d'aadren vloeit, van vreemde smetten vrij / "For whom Dutch Blood flows through their veins, free from foreign blemishes") that was in use until 1938. 
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: terry martyn on Saturday 24 December 2022, 12:01
I always think that anthem should be played before Belgian concerts begin.  Or perhaps a healthy dose of Litolff's Third?
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: terry martyn on Saturday 24 December 2022, 12:05
My inner Jeremy Clarkson is getting the upper hand.............
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 24 December 2022, 12:14
I rather think his best music is in his symphonies, e.g. No.7 in C minor (1835):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfWEenkikpw

OK, it's probably rather passé for its date, but there's no 'prettifying' here.
Title: Re: Wilms Piano Concertos vol.2
Post by: terry martyn on Saturday 24 December 2022, 12:18
I like that Symphony.   I am not giving up on him.  His works for flute and orchestra stand up pretty well too.