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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Friday 29 September 2023, 16:42

Title: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 29 September 2023, 16:42
Forthcoming from Toccata Classics:

Ferdinand Thieriot: Chamber Music, Volume Two
The Hamburg Chamber Players

According to one works list the String Quintet dates from 1914. If so, it could be interesting to compare this with Gernsheim's equally late work (both are for string quartet plus second cello, as in Schubert's great work).
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 29 September 2023, 16:50
That's good news.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: semloh on Saturday 30 September 2023, 23:26
Yes, a very welcome release, and such an interesting and diverse selection of works. I wonder if there will be a Vol.3.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 01 October 2023, 08:42
If I'm honest, I'd have preferred something more substantial to pair with the String Quintet but that's being really picky.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: semloh on Monday 02 October 2023, 12:06
Anything in mind, Mark? I was thinking variety - spice of life, and all that!
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 02 October 2023, 12:12
Not particularly but, in addition to those already available commercially, there is another piano quartet, another piano quintet, four piano trios and a cello sonata for example.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 02 October 2023, 12:38
Volume 3 will follow in 2036, funds - and customer patience - permitting. ;)
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 02 October 2023, 13:34
If it's really 2036 then customer life expectancy might be an issue too  :-\
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 02 October 2023, 14:17
Or perhaps, and let us hope this will be the case, some enterprising company like CPO for example, will have recorded and released the works Mark mentions a little sooner.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 02 October 2023, 20:10
Any word of planned recordings of his symphonies?
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 02 October 2023, 21:13
Not a dickie, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 02 October 2023, 21:15
Nor of his piano concertos since Covid put a stop to Hyperion's proposed recording.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 02 October 2023, 21:30
Thieriot is one of the composers whose orchestral works most deserve to be recorded.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 16 January 2024, 10:37
This is slated for release on 2nd February in the UK.

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Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 16 January 2024, 12:10
More Theriot is always good news. Thanks Alan.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 19 February 2024, 12:30
First thing to say about this release: the booklet alone is worth the purchase price. It has a lengthy biography of the composer as well as the usual expert analysis of the music.

Then there's the late (1914) String Quintet in G major. It's a magnificent piece - more lyrical than Gernsheim's equally late work for the same forces (2 violins, viola, 2 cellos), but if anything plumbing greater depths, certainly in the opening movement.

Thieriot, along with Gernsheim, is one of the romantic era's most distinguished unsung composers - of that I'm more convinced than ever. What isn't clear is just how much of his music has survived; apparently, the Russians took boxes of his works to Leningrad/St Petersburg in 1946 where they were later discovered in a flooded cellar in 1983. They were returned to the Hamburg State and University Library in 1991 and catalogued in 2000 by Mathias Keitel.

This is a link to the first page of works held at Hamburg:
https://katalogplus.sub.uni-hamburg.de/vufind/Search/Results?lookfor=Thieriot&type=AllFields&searchbox=1&limit=20

Various of Thieriot's works have been published by AlbisMusic and Amadeus (Winterthur).
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 19 February 2024, 15:10
I don't recall anyone here ever reviewing that Gernsheim CD. I listened to the first movement of that E-flat quintet (so far) and was very impressed (though its close connection to late Brahms could be what you're referring to, for all I know...) That said, looking forward to giving the Thieriot work a try.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 19 February 2024, 17:52
Hi Eric: here's a link to the (brief) thread about the Gernsheim works you mentioned:
https://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,9196.msg94244.html#msg94244
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: semloh on Wednesday 21 February 2024, 07:30
A 3rd volume in 2036 :o  That hardly capitalizes on any commercial success with the previous two - and some of us may not be in the land of the living by that date!  :(
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 23 February 2024, 03:56
May I hope that's a typo for 2026, though your last statement is unfortunately still true :(
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 23 February 2024, 08:21
It wasn't a typo - just a projection forward from the gap between vols. 1 and 2. Put it down to the British sense of irony...
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Ilja on Friday 23 February 2024, 10:13
Quote from: eschiss1 on Monday 19 February 2024, 15:10I don't recall anyone here ever reviewing that Gernsheim CD. I listened to the first movement of that E-flat quintet (so far) and was very impressed (though its close connection to late Brahms could be what you're referring to, for all I know...) That said, looking forward to giving the Thieriot work a try.
Being impressed by Gernsheim (the four symphonies under Köhler to be precise) is what got me into the Unsung to begin with, and I've come across anything by him that I considered below-par. What I've heard from Thieriot elicits similar sentiments. It's be so great to have the symphonies in decent recordings.
Title: Re: Thieriot String Quintet in G/etc. (Toccata)
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 23 February 2024, 11:57
I agree. I suspect, however, that Thieriot may turn out to be the more important composer, although at this stage that's only a guess.