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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 08 February 2024, 12:10

Title: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 08 February 2024, 12:10
I understand that we can expect Raff's final opera Die Eifersüchtigen to be released on a major label later this year, probably sometime in the autumn. It's a live recording, taken from the 2022 Zurich performances, with some studio infill and I can vouch for its quality. More, as soon as I know it.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 08 February 2024, 13:11
I'm really looking forward to yet more operatic Raff. Great news!
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 14 June 2024, 09:10
Due for release this autumn:

(http://www.raff.org/otherpix/die_eifersuchtigen.png)
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 June 2024, 11:27
Rubs hands...
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 June 2024, 12:28
Here's the overture to whet your appetite, conducted by Neeme Järvi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzB9zc0uBHc

Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: adriano on Friday 14 June 2024, 18:16
My personal opinion: This is a rather endlessly boring piece, where Raff definitely failed as a music dramatist - and librettist.
This time he had no sense at all for comedy in music.
In German we call this kind of music "betulich" - which can be mildly translated into "comfortable", but I felt rather unconfortable. Already the extremely long first act never seemed to come to an end and no surprises occurred later on.
But with a lot of patience one can still enjoy Raff's skills as a melodist and an orchestrator.
Again, I shake my head on that this ensemble proudly calls itself "Orchestra of Europe".
(I've already posted a similar criticism in this forum, at the occasion of the Zurich production, which I attended).
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 June 2024, 18:50
One might also translate 'betulich' as 'sedate' or even 'bland', perhaps.

Thanks for your thoughts, Adriano. A mandatory purchase nevertheless - for me.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 14 June 2024, 19:07
Quote from: adriano on Friday 14 June 2024, 18:16"with a lot of patience one can still enjoy Raff's skills as a melodist and an orchestrator."

I think this is the key to enjoying Die Eifersüchtigen. As a piece of drama, or comedy, even Raff's own wife (an actress) deemed it a failure but the music itself, if one can divorce it from the text, is lovely and very enjoyable on its own merits.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 14 June 2024, 20:05
I think that is spot on, Mark. It seems to me to be the weakest of his operas which I have so far heard, but Raff's melodic skills are undeniable. Now I would really like to hear Dame Kobold.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: John Boyer on Friday 14 June 2024, 20:34
Quote from: adriano on Friday 14 June 2024, 18:16This time he had no sense at all for comedy in music.

Well, as Freud said, a German joke is no laughing matter. 
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: adriano on Friday 14 June 2024, 20:46
 :)
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 14 June 2024, 21:25
Was machen Ostfriesen, wenn sie einen Eimer heißes Wasser übrig haben?
Einfrieren, heißes Wasser kann man immer gebrauchen.

(German equivalent of an Irish joke)
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Mark Thomas on Friday 14 June 2024, 22:42
[It's the way he tells 'em]
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 29 June 2024, 13:02
...download now listed at Presto:
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9637729--raff-die-eifersuchtigen
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 11 August 2024, 03:48
and the new releases for September 2024 at Naxos: here (https://www.naxos.com/CatalogueDetail/?id=8.660561-62). (It takes a half-minute to load the track list. Has downloadable PDF libretto link, I see.)
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 11 August 2024, 03:55
I'd add that the brief CD notes available from Naxos' website are very interesting, and I am glad this work, about which I've been curious for a fair amount of time, has been typeset, performed, recorded and will now be available so soon.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: John Boyer on Friday 30 August 2024, 21:10
Well, it's here. The notes, as Eric has pointed out, are indeed interesting.  They look at the opera more from a theoretical/structural point of view, as if one were discussing a symphony.

The voices range from satisfactory to good, but there are no real standouts, either wonderful or terrible. I will take it.  If it could be better, I know from other recordings that it could be far worse.

The recording is very clear, with lots of detail in the orchestral playing.  The smallish string section (7-6-5-4-1) acquits itself quite well, helped by the fact that Raff scored it for modest wind (2-2-2-2) and brass (2-2) forces.  Given the realities of the concessions that one must make for a pit orchestra, I think it works just fine.  I heard details in the overture that I never noticed before.

If the libretto is weak it's not that much weaker than your typical Italian buffo opera. In the end, I think it's a very welcome addition to the recorded repertory, even if it does show Raff's limitations as a dramatic composer.

Downloadable libretto in German only, but there is a detailed synopsis by a certain Mark Thomas.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 31 August 2024, 11:04
Thanks, John, for this review. Wonder who that certain 'Mark Thomas' is?  ;)
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 31 August 2024, 12:30
If it's the MT I'm thinking of, he's currently on a cruise, so speculate away...  ;)
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 31 August 2024, 13:02
So, not stuck on board in Belfast, then?
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 31 August 2024, 14:07
No, unstuck in Trieste!
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Justin on Monday 16 September 2024, 08:20
This may be an unpopular opinion but I find much of the work to be dull. It rarely goes beyond being merely pleasant and the only part that stood out to me was the conclusion of Act I. It felt like the work was rushed at the end with an abrupt finish as well.

I felt that Benedetto Marcello worked much better as a comic work.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 16 September 2024, 13:45
I don't think it's in the same league as the three other Raff operas I know but I wouldn't call it a dull work. However, I do agree that for the most part it's not an exciting one. It showcases Raff the tunesmith but is largely without incident, so he gave himself no opportunity in it to write dramatic music. He seems to have composed it initially as relaxation from his work as director of the Hoch Conservatory, with no realistic prospect of it ever being performed, and latterly whilst suffering from the heart disease which was to kill him, so perhaps all that comes across in the music too.

Benedetto Marcello, by the way, isn't a comedy. Raff called it a lyric opera and its libretto is based on a, probably fictitious, incident in the lives of Marcello himself and the German composer Johann Adolf Hasse, after which they each married pupils of the former. Dame Kobold and Die Parole (a work I'd very much like to hear) are the other operatic comedies Raff wrote.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Justin on Monday 16 September 2024, 17:23
Yes sorry I meant comic as in a light or lyric opera, not comedic.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 21 September 2024, 14:18
My copy's arrived - loved the Overture, more to come...
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 09 October 2024, 12:43
Raff's opera, written towards the end of his life, is magnificent music. I can't think of anything like it - I'm certain that Raff was just writing for himself at this point in his life. I wonder what path his music would have taken if he had lived longer. Perhaps further along this neo-classical direction, crowning his achievements with something along the lines of Verdi's Falstaff...?

By the way, there's one stand-out performance: US-born tenor Benjamin Popson. A fine, young singer with a strikingly secure upper range.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 26 November 2024, 21:38
Here's an appreciative review:
https://musicwebinternational.com/2024/11/raff-die-eifersuchtigen-naxos/


Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: John Boyer on Wednesday 27 November 2024, 04:13
Thoughtful review indeed.
Title: Re: Recording of Raff's Die Eifersüchtigen
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 27 November 2024, 08:43
Yes, a very even-handed appreciation both of the work and of the recording which, by the way, was mostly taken from the live performances in Zurich, with the odd subsequent audience-less infill.