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Title: Thieriot, chamber music-- volume 3!
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 08 July 2024, 12:49
Yay, Toccata Classics! A third volume of Thieriot's chamber music with two substantial quartets for piano and strings (https://toccataclassics.com/product/ferdinand-thieriot-chamber-music-volume-three/) (from 1905 and 1913) is announced for September 20. Thank you!
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 08 July 2024, 14:27
Excellent!
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Post by: Ilja on Monday 08 July 2024, 15:04
Yummy indeed. 
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Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 08 July 2024, 18:04
Well spotted, Eric!
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Post by: Jonathan on Monday 08 July 2024, 18:49
Splendid news!
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Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 10 July 2024, 10:35
I'm really glad that this series is being continued so soon after vol.2 - from the excerpts available, this sounds absolutely wonderful. The other day I tried (once again) to get my head round Schoenberg's Violin Concerto, but I almost had a breakdown in the attempt (!) and so it's good to return to music by such as Thieriot - balm for the soul.
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Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 10 July 2024, 11:26
I agree on the first part, though I am a fan of the Schoenberg work, having even listened to it (sometimes in different recordings) every day for a month at one point iirc (a few decades ago, I think)...
(Now his violin phantasy, I do find hard going.)
Title: Re: Thieriot, chamber music-- volume 3!
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 10 July 2024, 12:11
I also see that Toccata Classics' Pipeline page still lists volume 2 as upcoming and volume 3 not at all. May need updating.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 31 July 2024, 11:45
This'll be an absolutely outstanding release...
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Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 31 July 2024, 11:57
I am really looking forward to it. Thieriot's music is very fine, IMHO.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 17 September 2024, 19:15
The 3rd and 4th Piano Quartets are now on YouTube:
No.3:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCeRrS5Oilw&t=188s
No.4:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3P4iQK3yLs

This is truly superb music. As good as Brahms, I'd say.
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Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 18 September 2024, 00:41
ok, imho the real test of that statement is whether a work will -also- repay relistening over time etc* but I catch your meaning and thanks for the links!

*Just heard one of Brahms' own piano quartets live this weekend that I had not heard live before, and noticed things I hadn't despite knowing the work for decades. (May there always be a reason to come back, of course...)
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Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 25 September 2024, 10:30
For me this is one of the chamber music releases of 2024. No.4 is absolutely sublime - music on such an exalted level of inspiration that I'm astonished it's almost completely unknown. Until now!
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 25 September 2024, 10:40
Absolutely agree! The Second Piano Quartet has been available for some time from cpo (https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8042491--schumann-youth-piano-quartet) and there's a pretty decent amateur performance of the early First Piano Quartet on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br-Ka2YI_BM&t=686s&pp=ygUWdGhpZXJpb3QgcGlhbm8gcXVhcnRldA%3D%3D).
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Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 26 September 2024, 12:17
The early first piano quartet's not only on YouTube, it's actually been recorded commercially. The coupling is Andreas Romberg's quartet Op.19- a composer who may be too early for us and hence the disc may have passed us by? (Also, it came out just this year.)
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Post by: Mark Thomas on Thursday 26 September 2024, 12:19
Details please, Eric.
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Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 26 September 2024, 12:26
Ahh. My mistake.
It -is- listed on Worldcat, but actually, "commercially" would imply I could find it being sold somewhere, and I'm not sure about that. The whole thing is available over YouTube from the Swiss Orthopaedic Quartet (the performing group), who've also recorded Vinzenz Lachner and Reissiger (quartet Op.70) works - maybe they make them available somewhere else besides YouTube, or maybe they one of those arrangements with YouTube that earns them some money-for-views. Don't know.
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Post by: Wheesht on Thursday 26 September 2024, 12:34
According to this article (https://www.amadeusmusic.ch/attachments/Swiss_Orthopedic_Quartet.pdf) (I have found it just now and haven't even read it properly yet), there is indeed a CD. Great project by the way!
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Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 26 September 2024, 12:39
How can one purchase the CD, I wonder?
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Post by: Wheesht on Thursday 26 September 2024, 12:59
It may be semi-privately distributed. The publisher of the printed music, Amadeus Verlag in Winterthur, may have information. According to that article they have a huge collection of sheet music, collected from antiquarian/second hand dealers, for over 10 000 works.
Here's the link (https://www.amadeusmusic.ch/itemcard.php?itemno=BP%202891) to the Thieriot quartet.
Title: Re: Thieriot, chamber music-- volume 3!
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 26 September 2024, 13:04
Yes, I spotted their website - and you're probably right about distribution.
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Post by: Wheesht on Thursday 26 September 2024, 13:39
I have written to them and will report here once I have heard back from them.
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Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 26 September 2024, 14:33
Vielen Dank!
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Post by: Wheesht on Friday 27 September 2024, 17:26
As I thought, this is a private release that is not available commercially. It may be worth contacting Amadeus Vertrieb, though, as a few individual copies may be available from them:
info@amadeusmusic.ch
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Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 27 September 2024, 17:37
Thanks for this suggestion.
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Post by: John Boyer on Monday 14 October 2024, 01:52
It's strange to have gotten so late in the day before making the acquaintance of a composer of this quality, but there you have it.  This a fine disc (aside from some shaky intonation now and then, but it's tolerable).  Now I am backfilling with whatever else is available, the happiest new discovery since Gernsheim.
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Post by: FBerwald on Monday 14 October 2024, 06:13
I'm a bit confused. Why is this a private release? Isn't it already release by Toccata?
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Post by: John Boyer on Monday 14 October 2024, 12:02
Quote from: FBerwald on Monday 14 October 2024, 06:13I'm a bit confused. Why is this a private release? Isn't it already release by Toccata?

My comment was on the thread topic of the new Toccata recording, not the off-topic chat about the private release of some other recording of something else -- perhaps the 1st piano quartet?.
Title: Re: Thieriot, chamber music-- volume 3!
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 14 October 2024, 12:42
Quote from: John Boyer on Monday 14 October 2024, 01:52It's strange to have gotten so late in the day before making the acquaintance of a composer of this quality, but there you have it. 

I know exactly what you mean. With Thieriot we're about a decade (or more) behind Gernsheim as far as recordings are concerned. We've not even touched his orchestral music yet - apart from the odd computerised production.