Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Wheesht on Tuesday 23 July 2024, 09:11

Title: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: Wheesht on Tuesday 23 July 2024, 09:11
At least some of the tunes on the orchestrion rolls at Kinloch Castle on the Isle of Rum in the Inner Hebrides may be by unsung composers. Nine recordings (https://kinlochcastle-isleofrum.topotheque.net/#ipp=100&p=1&searchterm=orchestrion%20&t=99&sf=chk_docname%2Cchk_mainkeywords%2Cchk_subkeywords&vp=false) were made of the Imhof & Mukle Orchestrion (built around 1900) in 1971, but the tunes were not identified at the time. Any help is much appreciated. More recently, photographs (https://kinlochcastle-isleofrum.topotheque.net/#ipp=100&p=1&searchterm=orchestrion%20rolls&t=1%2C2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C7&sf=chk_docname%2Cchk_mainkeywords%2Cchk_subkeywords&vp=false) of some rolls were taken, so it may be partly just a question of matching a roll to a recording.
Title: Re: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: Ilja on Tuesday 23 July 2024, 13:45
Number 2 is quite clearly from Bizet's Carmen. I forget which bit, but it was later popularized in the adaptation by Oscar Hammerstein II's Carmen Jones, "Beat out Dat Rhythm on a Drum". My guess is that's the version here, too.
Title: Re: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 23 July 2024, 15:03
No.1 is the Toreador's Song (sung by Escamillo) from Bizet's Carmen.
Title: Re: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: Wheesht on Wednesday 24 July 2024, 11:06
Thanks to both of you.
Title: Re: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: TerraEpon on Wednesday 24 July 2024, 23:23
#4 sounds familiar, but it might just have that sort of sound.
#6 as well.
#7 I absolutely recognize but it escapes me.
#9 sounds like it could be Wagner. But not sure what.

#1, 2 and 3 are all from Carmen as noted above, I'm guessing it's a medley that was broken up as they all contain multiple sections from it.
Title: Re: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: cypressdome on Thursday 25 July 2024, 01:53
No.9 is a selection from the ballet Coppélia by Léo Delibes.  The big tune starts around 4:30.
Title: Re: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: Revilod on Thursday 25 July 2024, 17:58
No 4 is "Cavalleria Rusticana" medley
No 8 is "The Pirates of Penzance" medley
Title: Re: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: TerraEpon on Thursday 25 July 2024, 23:39
Quote from: Revilod on Thursday 25 July 2024, 17:58No 8 is "The Pirates of Penzance" medley

It's actually a medley of both Pirates and Pinafore, and the tunes are listed on the side.
Title: Re: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: Wheesht on Friday 26 July 2024, 01:22
There have also been comments from outside this forum since I placed my post here.

Thanks a lot for all your contributions.


Two less familiar names that I can make out on the photographs of some of the rolls are Balfe (Overture to The Bohemian Girl) and V. Wallace (Overture to Maritana), but I don't know if they were recorded.
Title: Re: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: TerraEpon on Friday 26 July 2024, 10:51
I actually would really like to know what #7 is myself...

EDIT: Listening to the whole thing it seems to be a medley as well and I don't recognize or only vaguely recognize most of it.
Title: Re: Name that tune – Kinloch Castle Orchestrion ( around 1900)
Post by: Wheesht on Friday 26 July 2024, 11:30
Only one answer about no. 7 has come in via the Topotheque:
QuoteFirst tune is "Les fauvettes"
Not a tune I'm familiar with, though.