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Ok.
That was what was confusing me, and now I am -- enlightened. About this, anyway. I would not go so far as to claim generally
Eric

The last movement of Mahler 3 ends in the parallel major (that is, D), not the relative, and I'm pretty sure it ends loudly, but I'm not positive.  (And the first movement does end in F, but also loudly...) Can't think offhand of other symphonies in F that end with a morendo effect, besides Brahms 3    Does Atterberg 2, say?

I'd say I stand corrected, but
1) I'm just confused now.
2) I see that the link to the old Raff forums was not removed by (presumably) Mr. Howe... (I was considering removing it). Does that mean this link still goes somewhere? (Ok, I should really test it and find out myself if it's a dead link...)
All best in superconfusion
Eric

And I'm now asking myself: in fact, did Beethoven ever write any bad works?

What about "Wellington's Victory, or, the Battle of Vitoria" and "Fantasy in C minor for Piano, Chorus, and Orchestra"?

I'm told his two mandolin sonatas are nothing to phone home about. That said, I haven't heard them yet, for one; and nothing to phone home about is not "bad".  Will try to get a listen to them.
I have heard his op. 136(?) cantata (contemporary with the 7th symphony) "Der glorreiche Augenblick", which also wasn't bad but was more - average? ... enjoyable, though, still. Hrm!
Sigh. Another "get back to you on that one"
Eric

Have modified the Rufinatscha Wikipedia-en article accordingly. Great news!
Eric

If you can find the BBC recording (under the late Edward Downes) of his 2nd (1926-7) and 3rd (1937) symphonies, I highly recommend it. The 2nd is, I believe, based on plans for a ballet on Deirdre of the Shallows (Synge's play), and sounds somewhere between very good ballet and symphonic music in my opinion - it's in three very free-form movements, based more on recurring themes than any memory of sonata, variation or rondo; I find the overall effect very powerful, though. (Harmonically and orchestrally I find suggestions of Debussy and other composers, I think.   The 3rd is a more conventional symphony but still sometimes I prefer the 2nd and sometimes the 3rd- they're both very good, in my opinion anyway, not very helpful I know. (I haven't heard the only currently available recording of the 3rd, on a Hyperion/Helios CD with the oboe concerto no. 1, and can only judge from the Downes-conducted recording on that BBC disc. Hyperion has, I believe, also recorded the composer's 1st, "Cromwell", symphony.)

Eric

The only orchestral work I've seen broadcast is a serenade for strings on BBC.  What you describe is intriguing.
Eric

At least according to Edition Silvertrust's entry on the 2nd piano quartet (http://www.editionsilvertrust.com/heritte-viardot-piano-qt2.htm), only the three piano quartets have survived.  I can only find two of them in score at libraries.

Agreed- thanks! I see too that Pejacevic's 2nd piano sonata has been recorded in a (1996?) CD program with works of Barber and Liszt, too, though no idea if that's still available (except maybe by interlibrary loan). Spoke too soon, anycase! (And if Dumitru Cuclin is the same as Dimitrie Cuclin, a choral work of his has appeared on CD in a program of works by various composers. Will seek that out sometime.  I prefer some composers' (e.g. Nielsen's) brief vocal works to their symphonies while already enjoying those, it might prove so with Cuclin too.)

Some composers whose music I like rather a lot haven't had their music recorded at all, I think, since the LP era, which seemed to call for a topic of some sort of itself. 

Dimitrie Cuclin with his 20 symphonies came to mind immediately (to my mind, anyway - go figure) - I have his 11th symphony in A-flat minor (one of the only symphonies I know in that key, not in G-sharp minor even for what that matters) and also a tape of his A minor 9th symphony. Good stuff, but aside from his notoriety for composing a very lengthy 12th symphony who's even vaguely heard of him today (maybe outside of his native Romania)?
Also from Romania there's Dumitru Capoianu's violin concerto (once on LP with Anatol Vieru's flute concerto, conducted like the Cuclin 11th by Emanuel Elenescu).  Local university library has this LP, I remember enjoying the violin concerto and intend to hear it again soon, good and lyrical. Student of Andricu one of whose sinfoniettas is occasionally broadcast on BBC3 Through the Night, and of Martian Negrea a movement of whose Spring Symphony was recorded (anything else? Not sure.)
From Croatia there's Dora Pejacevic, whose piano quintet (about 1916?) is also sometimes broadcast over Through the Night (which has arrangements with Croatian Radio and many other national radio services.) According to en-Wikipedia she also composed a substantial symphony and many other works; on the basis of that quintet, I'd like to hear more.  There's also Fran Lhotka (a Dvorak pupil whose string quartet and orchestral Frescoes I think I've heard and enjoyed), among others. Of course, some of these may not have been recorded commercially at all, but fairly sure they haven't been recorded on CD.
Mark mentioned in another thread Jan L Bella's symphonic poem Fate & the Ideal; this too was recorded on an Opus LP in 1982 (under its name Osud a Ideal) but also has not, I think, made any more recent appearances
(I do think US classical stations are reluctant as a rule, with exceptions, to play LPs, so glad I can receive the BBC which has no such qualms. But anyhow and anyway.)
Not an unusual question (hardly!) but who are you looking to see "resurrected"?
As to Cuclin, the symphonies I've heard do have some little bit in common with Myaskovsky - a turn-off for some on this forum, I realize - though in saying so I'm not sure I can pinpoint why, exactly.  Also some good sense of surprise and of rhythm (e.g. the end of symphony 11, whose final A-flat, after several syncopated Gs, is -- ... very quiet.)
They are also both cyclic (likewise the one I've only seen in score, not heard, no. 14 in E minor.)

The Sainsbury is being broadcast on Tuesday on BBC Radio 3 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rd7yt .

Also expected from cpo in March 2010 according to their website-
Gunter Raphael symphonies 2-5
Goepfert clarinet concertos
a new recording of Dvorak's A major cello concerto reconstruction with other cello and orchestra works

(Possibly more besides, but that's what I find)

Records International claims the variations and fugue are fairly early in publication (op. 11) and lists another recording (with the composer at the piano; no idea if it's still available) where they're coupled with a symphonic ballad with piano op. 31 of 1944  and a concerto for two pianos and orchestra op. 46 among other works (see http://www.recordsinternational.com/archive/RICatalogMar99.html ).
Eric

Yeah, I like what I have of Novak -- mostly orchestral stuff (suites and tone poems) including the orchestraion of Pan, and a fantastic oratorio called The Storm -- a piano concerto from him sounds tasty.

There's some fine chamber music also- an LP of his third string quartet and cello sonata had very good performances.  The third string quartet may not have reappeared on CD,  but there have been CD recordings of the sonata (a compact, charged and memorable work) and, I think, of the other two quartets (and his piano quintet, two piano trios and violin sonata) on various labels.

Being picky I'm guessing Camillo, like relative Georg, worked mostly in the 20th century actually, but may be mistaken. (From Georg Schumann I've heard only some - rather good - motets but hope to hear more. Seem to recall skimming a chamber work in the Flonzaley Quartet collection at New York Public Library too, but not positive.)