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#181
I have to imagine this is a case where they had the recording done (perhaps when they did the Callirhoe disc?) and had to find somewhere to 'throw it in'.

It's hardly as weird as the Naxos disc coupling two Loussier Violin Concertos (outside of the 'remit' I know) with the Paderewski Violin Sonata...
#182
Never heard of Anton Simon....

But...Chaminade. So I have to get this....

But she didn't write a 'Suite no. 1'. She wrote 'Suite d'Orchestre', Op. 20 (which is what this is) as well as a suite form Callirhoe (Op. 37a).
#183
Composers & Music / Re: Incomplete and unsung
Thursday 20 February 2020, 13:26
Quote from: giles.enders on Thursday 20 February 2020, 10:09
Debussy- Petite Suite, Rhapsodie, Khamma....Satie- Gymnopedies orchestrated.

Not sure why you mention any of these here. Petite Suite, Rhapsody (I assume you mean the saxophone one) and Gymnopedies are simple orchestrations of pieces no different than thousands upon thousands of others. Though in at least the case of the Petite Suite, it was sactioned by the compose himself so it's even less relevant to the topic. Khamma even LESS so since it (and La Boite a Jeux Jeux as well as La Metyr de St Sebastien) for I guess reasons of time had his colleges orchestrate them but had some input....not really any different than the job of an orchestrator for a film score or musical. Certainly not at all related to a 'completion after death'/

Quote from: giles.enders on Thursday 20 February 2020, 10:09
There is also the question of arranger/composers using other composers works. The ballet Les Sylphides springs to mind as does La Boutique Fantastique. Britten based his ballets Matinee Musicales and Soiree Musicales on music by Rossini.

While obviously this is different than the above, none of them claim to be anything they aren't. How could they diminish the 'integrity' of the works?
#184
Composers & Music / Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Tuesday 18 February 2020, 13:17
Quote from: giles.enders on Tuesday 18 February 2020, 11:56
In Rehihold Gliere's ballet, 'The Red Poppy' there is a very attractive waltz number called 'Boston'. It is quite haunting.

Actually a kind of dance -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_(dance)
#185
So this is quite the long-shot but I don't want to have to go digging up email addresses or something...

So, back in 2011 the 'Johann Strauss Society of New York' compiled work lists of the Strauss family members (the three Johanns, Josef, Eduard). At some point the website, straussusa.org, became defunct.
Strauss Jr's worklist still exists on Archive.org
https://wayback.archive-it.org/all/20140824092122/http://www.straussusa.org/JSSNY/Opus%20lists/Johann%20Strauss,%20Jr..pdf -- but there's no trace of the others left.
Now there's worklist info for these guys on www.johann-strauss.org.uk as well as Wikipedia  and IMSLP in various states of helpfulness, but nothing as detailed or complete as Johann Jr's PDF here.
So....in I'm extremely interested in finding Josef's. If anyone just happens to have it, or perhaps even knows of who to contact to maybe procure it....would be great.
#186
Man, yet another CD I'm obligated to get.

It's so great that the CD is dead, because I don't think I could keep up with all these great releases if it were still alive.
#187
Composers & Music / Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Tuesday 11 February 2020, 01:49
Actually Manon Ballet is one of the many "ballet after" type deals that dot the 20th century. It uses other music by Massenet but it's not originally by him. I actually have quite a few of those, including Alice in Wonderland, Onegin (not 'Eugene') and The Queen of Spades (called the same, yes). This is in the same ilk as stuff like Gaite Parisienne (an absolute favorite), Cakewalk and Les Patineurs.

As for Cydalise et le chevre-pied, I do love it but it might be a bit impressionistic for the board.

I might have to look into that Pugni piece...

Now, some other recomendations....other Adolphe Adam ballets, such as La Filleule des Fees and Le Jole Fille de Gand, as well as Mingus's Don Quixote. And of course I shouldn't fail to mention Chamniade's Callirhoe.
#188
A ballet from 1826? Hmmm 15 years before Giselle....I'm sure a lot of people would dismiss it because of that. But as a lover of 19th century dance music, I of course will put this firmly on my radar.
#189
Composers & Music / Re: Incomplete and unsung
Monday 10 February 2020, 13:44
"Dozens"? What do you know that Wikipedia/IMSLP doesn't?
My list of stuff that has some existence includes:
-Symphony No. 2 'In Spring'
-Andante in c#, EG 180 [orchestra]
-Piano Concerto in b, EG 120 [as noted above]
-Violin Concerto
-Piano Quintet in Bb, EG 118 [which has a recording with completion out there]
-Halling, EG 178 [solo Hardanger Fiddle]
-O Ola, My Own Dear Boy [Orch. of a song called The Princess, EG 133]
-Dyre from Vaa, EG 143
-A few songs from EG 152

Nothing about a cello concerto or an F minor String Quartet (though a lost in in D minor).
#190
Composers & Music / Re: Saint-Saëns 2021
Sunday 09 February 2020, 13:25
Yeah, that's the 'thematic catalog' I was referring to. A lot of libraries DO have copies actually -- mostly universities granted --  in the US if your library is part of the program, you can Interlibrary Loan them, which I have done. Unfortunately as comprehensive as her books are, they also to a point are a bit vague on some details about things such as how performable a work really is -- she mentions measures but that could be cases where like, there's a melody line or whatever (as well as on if there are composer-made piano reductions of vocal music)
#191
Composers & Music / Re: Saint-Saëns 2021
Sunday 09 February 2020, 01:32
There's still a huge number of, as far as I know, unrecorded choral and other vocal works yet to be recorded. A bunch of incidental music too (the recent Naxos release had some music from Andromaque, unsure how much of what he wrote it was...)

There's tons of instrumental music that's listed in the thematic catalog, though how much exists beyond a fragment (or even just an incipit) I dunno.
#192
Quote from: Kevin S on Monday 04 November 2019, 08:07

Yes. A physical CD gets release preference because I imagine its not as susceptible to pirates/youtube/streaming.

I've noticed that the opposite is almost all cases the past couple or more years. The digital comes out a couple weeks, sometimes a month, before the CD. Maybe this isn't true for specific labels but for sure is for the larger labels (the 'majors' and the large classical indies like Naxos and Chandos)

Incidentally to get back on topic, I'm guessing since I really enjoy that disc of Draeseke's horn and clarinet music, this one should be on my radar?
#193
Composers & Music / Re: Streaming Services
Wednesday 29 January 2020, 13:25
Honestly the large majority of things will be on all the streaming sites, especially releases from the last few years. There are going to be gaps yes, sometimes very weird seeming ones (like "a 12 volume series will have 10 of them and the missing ones are in the middle" type of gaps.

If you can hear the difference then Qobuz might be a good choice. There's also Tidal which also offers high bitrate streaming. But not everyone can hear the difference, or at least enough to pay the extra.
#194
Having listened to it online, it's.....eh. I mean, the Gade and Kuhlau overture are great pieces but I already have them.....the two concerti don't quite do it for me (plus how is the overture a 'concerto'? Sometimes album programs are so wierd)
#195
Composers & Music / Re: Unsung Ballet Music
Wednesday 29 January 2020, 01:28
A complete Belkis (maybe without narrator x.x) is one of my most wanted things to be recorded.