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It reminds me of the multi-piano version of Liszt's Hexameron I came across a few years ago.  I'll have to dig it out and see how the extra pianos make any difference to say the single piano version in Hyperion RPC volumes of Liszt's Piano & Orchestra works.  (I'll probably get the download as I'm  a sucker for unusual recordings!)

Cheers

Richard

Arno,

Tks v. much for the update.  Brahms 're-using' his 5th sketches in his double concerto means they have survived in some form (like Tchaikovsky and his 3rd PC/'7th' symphony??), which is pleasing, rather than them never being used (because I can't think of anything orchestral of Brahms I've heard that wasn't v. good music IMHO).

As to the 'other' 5th you mention, I presume there is too little to work with otherwise some enterprising person would have constructed a 'realisation'??  (a la HESS Beethoven fragments)

Best wishes

Richard

Alan,

I too drew a blank with my own internet searching. Given the 'seniority' of Brahms ranking (if I may use such a phrase) I'm very surprised - it's a bit like Beethoven's 10th symphony sketches being overlooked.  Certainly it is highly unlikely anything has been done with them, otherwise I'm sure someone on this forum would have made us aware of any such enterprise.  Another 'que sera'.

Cheers

Richard

Tyrol Landsmuseum will need to be contacted directly.  Unfortunately their on-line shop is (or at least was) in  German only. I know I shouldn't speak for him, but Alan was very helpful to me some years ago when I wanted to make some purchases from them.  Likewise, I believe Terry must have successfully negotiated the traps and hurdles their web-site offers.

I would offer my own help but I know I get muddled too readily these days and would hate to lead you  astray.  I have also found them very helpful on either the phone or e-mail once you have obtained the correct contact point.

Happy hunting - certainly their catalogue of romantic works is thin but I've found all of what they do have to be a pleasing listen.

Best wishes

Richard

Just been playing my DGG CD of Brahms 1st and 4th Symphonies.  As it originally came without any notes, at some distant point in the past I've downloaded some notes (which in my file I've credited as 'NAXOS notes by Robert Pascall').  The reason I mention this is that he mentions 'surviving sketches for a 5th symphony' and I wondered whether (i) anyone at UC is aware of this and knows anything about their status and (ii) has anyone 'out there' done anything by way of offering a completion/orchestration (e.g. as per Newbold and Schubert).

Cheers

Richard

Just a quick 'heads up' Folks (and apologies if this content is a 'duplicate' of any earlier post which I've I missed) but Presto are showing a NAXOS release of Dietrich's works due out Friday 26th July. Although the symphony and violin concerto are not new, it does contain an Overture in C major which I do not believe HAS been previously released.

Cheers

Richard

Just notices these Reineke downloads and would just like to politely point out that I think the 2 Mediafire links needs to be reversed.

Anyway, I enjoy most of Reineke's music so here's hoping these do likewise

Tks to BC for the upload

Best wishes

Richard

Checking my own copy of the original EBS CD, the notes say the work' orchestration was entrusted to a Dr. Joachim-Dietrich Link (but no mention of who by, why or when).  It says the first 2 movements flow into each other 'attacca'. The notes also mention Liszt's influence (and they also include a photo from 1886 of Stavenhagen standing at Liszt's shoulder while the latter is at a piano).  I only mention this as Presto say the download version does NOT include a digital booklet.

So long since I last listened this post has prompted me to give it another spin.

Cheers

Richard
 

Mark,

Many tks for the Walter upload - I was trying (without too much success) to sort out a recording from this broadcast for myself. IIRC, his symphony was most enjoyable so let's hope this is more of them same

Richard

Thanks for the prompt updates.  Guess I'm back to one Ballade, not two!

cheers

Richard

I have an old Olympia CD (OCD 306) which has, as its first track, a piece labelled as Rozycki's Ballade Op 2 (8'34).  However, when I play the CD on my PC the track length actually shows as 11'53.  It seems to me this is the same work as the Hyperion Ballade Op 18 (track length 10'35) but my ears (age again!) have trouble retaining the tune between switching on the PC from one to the other.

Are they different works, a re-working of the original, or just yet another labelling error (by Olympia, in this case, I assume).

Any light in this dark corner appreciated.

Richard

A long time has passed I think since we last discussed Max'd'Ollone but I thought members might be interested in some new recordings (on YOUTUBE),performed by the William and Mary Symphony Orchestra (in Virginia). 

The conductor, David Grandis, has been working with Max's grandson Patrick to bring to life works never heard of either for a long time or at all.

The works I've found so far are:
LES VILLES MAUDITES (also on Bru Zanes'release, I believe), LES FUNÉRAILLES DU POÈTE and LE TEMPLE ABANDONNÉ (these last two are stated to be world premier performances (excluding their original outings a century ago'.

Haven't yet listened but having enjoyed his previously released orchestral works, I'm hoping these too are as entertaining.

As well as the YOUTUBE notes accompanying the videos, there is some further background to be found via this link:

https://florentschmitt.com/2019/09/04/french-american-conductor-david-grandis-talks-about-discovering-the-music-of-french-composer-max-dollone-and-championing-his-music-in-the-concert-hall/

Just a heads up for you but any additional details welcome if anyone has them.

Best wishes

Richard

I can't remember the details now correctly but in the 1960s I remember perusing the Classical Music Guide (or whatever it was called before it morphed into the enormous RED catalogue). The joy was not only seeing, at a glance, all the available recordings of a particular work, but the eye could take-in other/unknown works and composers in adjoining entries.  There was no need to spell out a composer's name to get the details.

Admittedly, as John & Alan say, the choice then was much smaller but I suspect that, given if I had a copy of the catalogue in my hands, I would find what I wanted as lot quicker than typing in the details online.  However, that meant a trip to the store to see the catalogue (until I started to buy it) so overall on-line probably was quicker (if less satisfying).  The explosion in entries over the last two or three decades is mind-blowing.  However, now when I peruse the PRESTO lists of the week's new releases, there seems to be fewer and fewer orchestral 'romantic-period' works being listed.  I hope this is NOT the end of our 'golden age' for unsungs.  que sera!

Richard

...And is RPC in danger of drifting into the 'big label' syndrome and presenting another version of already-recorded works, rather than pioneering/exploring unknowns'?

Just a passing thought

Richard

Terry/Gareth,

Whist I personally do not know the answer to your query, Terry, the notes to the Musik am Gothaer CD do indeed mention that Grutzmacher took samples from 4 different (Boccherini) works in creating his own performing edition of Boccherini's concerto in B-flat.

Otherwise, at first glance I cannot find any recordings of his own Cello concertos or other works that Gareth mentions - just that Boccheriini one.

Many tks for the info gents.

Best wishes

Richard