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Bye...

All about books. Nobody responding on my last post as initiator.
Seems to me this is a club where everybody knows everybody, but not the stranger coming with food to talk about. The way you all address each other. My my.
I will not put much energy in it anymore.
And the main question, how to get them respected, no one. Bla, bla, bla... As little creativity as our current musicians.
Well, 64 replies, not bad. But what have we got. A lions club chat.
I write to Lars Vogt about it, great german pianist, head of a new festival in the summer.
I will do it myself...
Go on...

There is a fantastic radio, also on internet, the dutch canal concerzender.nl
This radio has a lot of attention for the unknown. An example, they had a series of episodes on Hummel. They called the programs, each 1 hour, A second chance for Huummel. The presentator for the first episode cynically dismayed the standard repertoire, and welcomed all those tired of a terrain, repertoire turned into a swamp.
It is a radio with presentators.
All symphonies from Myaskovsky are also covered.
And so on...
A tip maybe for the fans. I know, dutch which I am too, can be a hurdle, but the whole world needs to speak english, and understand, which isn't fair either.

Cannot help I am dutch.
Yes the summary is somehow tuned, not really conceived, in sadness.
After all, the more replies the less we get ideas on getting our unsung composers out of their jails to say it with a semaphore.
Let it be.

Sad ?
A summary cannot be sad.
The contents it reveals can.
I hope you meant the last.

As in my other thread. The question remains. Who got out on top as the leading composers and why ?
The same question goes for soloists. I am certain that many better musicians are left unspoken or disrespected in favor of some bunch of marketing wise better suited ones.
Volodos at least remains a champ, even after a sabbatical year.
Myaskovsky can easily be programmed, cheered by Shostakovitch. Nobody cares or knows.
Except for the labels CPO, Naxos, even Brilliant... So greatful we have them and alot of lesser known but good german radio sponsored orchestras. Otherwise we would not know either.

Anyway, after pages of reflections, for which I am thankful, my basic question, rests unresolved.
HOW to get them respected. HOW managed pianist Lititsa just by showing her capabilities on youtube to get a contract with DG, and lots of concerts.
The question remains.
And if you tick in Wiener Philharmoniker or Berliner in Spotify or Qobuz you see the shameless narrowness of their repertoire.
I would not like to be member of these giant orchestras.
It is sad after all that and conductors and managers know so little about the western music and their many Gods, big or smaller.
And if I see Gergiev conducting his own Tsjaikovsky with score, I know enough.
Barenboim, Abbado, Eschenbach, Zacharias do not need the score for whatever piece. By coincidence, these conductors are also mostly great solo pianists.
But that aside.
A Fibich on the program, it won't happen.
For me, no problem, I have not the health to attend concerts, so yes, the mentioned internet radios are very good.
Add audiophile greece. Look at their site. The classical part, audiophile classical mostly plays unknown composers, Weinberg, Atterberg,... Take note.

Hello,

Throughout the history of western music a certain number of composers have been elected to carry the crown of western music.
To begin with, my own flamish school of polyphonists , Josquin DuPrez, Ockeghem...
Majority agrees on Bach, Beethoven.
But stil by what standards.
A common mistake to my opinion is the Haydn calling Papa, while it was Mozart who called CPE Bach our Papa.
Haydn is a father and a carrier of the crown, CPE Bach to less fortune.
Many leftovers were really ont the frontier but not recognised.
I still wonder, what kind of jury elected these crown carriers ?
The output of Raff, Onslow is ravashing but unknown.
Wich judge decided these were not to be played in public ?
Which jury set us up with a perpetuum mobile of repertoire we begin to vomit, in a rude sense.
Guillaume Lekeu, young died, but what a genius. Fellow man too.
Nobody knows.
Classical music is ill-defined and butchered in favor of some excellencies.
Classical music in a way is fake, cause it bows for the glory of the economy, and does not serve the arts as it should do.

And by the way. The same goes for unsung soloists. Bozhanov, winning I do not know how many competitions, having to reset the chopin competition rules as the jury was so devided over him.
An old lady, having heard lots of the great chopin interpreters, said she had never heard Chopin by Bozhanov since Michelangeli.
But he is left dead by the industry. Rather a Lang, or Wang, with few golden medals, or even none at all, what ever the metal.
Politics play encore. Chinese... Not the real hard working Europeans. Of course there are, I just set an example. Bozhanov should go like Glenn Gould. Record... If they do not want him.
Tsjaikovsky competition. What a joke this year. Completely influenced by Gergiev, even Putin...
Glad our frenchman took the critics prize...
Lang, ambassador of the Leeds competition. He never attended it. Just marketing.
So here too. We loose little jewels in favor of big gun fire from the East.

Take it or leave it.

Well, I am glad my post got your attention.
I am from Belgium. Great composers like the very young died Guillaume Lekeu and Jongen are rarely heard.
As to radio stations, I know Radio. stephansdom and they do a very good piece of work.
Even more obscure is audiophile greece.
My country fellow composer Benoits pianoconcerto I heard on audiophile is great.
And yes, there is hope.
The young man recording Liapounov.
Trifonov playing Glazounovs 2nd pianoconcerto with Gergiev at the proms.

People. If they believe in it, they can. The young german pianist Moog is one of them.
Hamelin plays everything.
So I do not agree with the first comment on my thread.
Dusseks pianosonates have been played in total at Wifmore hall with huge success.

People will wonder, who was that.
Remember that Dusseks scores and Ries scores even went further than Beethoven. In some pieces of course.
Schubert was only discovered by Schnabel in the beginning of the 20 th century.

Our ears are overloaded with copies and copies of those hallmark works.
Refresh them. Make the people aware that Mozart call CPE BAch our father. Not papa Haydn.

Lots lf things have damaged the chronology of the history of western music.
Lots of composers gave their hands to the "great" and were buried afterwards.

When, like me, chronically ill listen the whole day to that standard repertoire or even just the big names, I tell you, at times you feel like leaving classics and go for jazz or whatever.
It is too unilateral.
Conductors have a great responsibility here. But none of the great went on a discovery tour, they nicely conducted their Brahms, Mahler, Beethoven... Still today.

Ah. It will never change.
When you like Dvorak, well tou will like Fibich. But nobody knows or wants to know.
And where are the musicologists, the academics ? Nowhere...

RIP.

Hello,
This is not a topic about some unknown composer, of which there are hundreds.
What it is, is a call to everybody to think on how to get the message, being these prolific composers are left unplayed and neglected life in public, to the conductors and soloists of today.
Without any doubt, Howard Shelley did a titanic work to play, conduct a lot of the romantic composers.
But the narrow standard repertoire stays very narrow.
I wonder why a Scharwenka piano concerto, or even the Thalberg piano concerto or others do not add up to this endlessly repeated standard repertoire.
Of course there is marketing, selling tickets, cause concert programs must sell. But let me tell you.
If Buniatishvilly or tutu Wang would perform Scharwenka, people come anyway.
I find the best efforts are being found in the chamber music genre during festivals.
But the symphonies by Ries, Fibich, ... Deserve to be played, why not before a Beethoven or Brahms.
It is a sad thing that classical music for decades has been reduced to a handful of overly known composers and works.
My piano 2 volumes in French, containing about 1400 pages of piano music analysed is a good example of how many good works there are. Reading an article of a young pianist having recorded Liapunov, and carrying these 2 big volumes everywhere he comes is promising.
But not enough.
With nowadays social media some wizard here could set up a project to propell our unsung composers in the world, as Lititsa did. If she can, why not we ?
Spread the message friends.
Classical music is short of fresh air...

I would say a Haydn++. Beethovens op 2. was also a Haydns dedicated sonata.
Kalkbrenner brings us full fledged half an hour sonatas, with not enough deepness I agree.
But Haydn, no, that is too easy.
Anyway... Why not play a Kalkbrenner on stage in stead of a Haydn or Clementi as starter. At least the world should know there are indeed other composers who existed.
Haydns output was not always top too... Even a CPE Bach had more to offer and had far more fireworks...

Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven... We will never escape from this narrow thinking ...

Interesting as always.
But my purpose goes to sensibilisation of the music industry to say a carefully editen list of composers the main orchestras should and must perform on stage.
Many social media protest actions have succeeded in their aim.
Latitsa, the pianist sold herself on youtube.
More important would be a protestaction against the ever repeating of the main repertoire by the big ones.
Put a great pianist on the affiche, playing Scharwenka and the audiences will come.
But where is the nerve, dare, imagination and determination of nowadays orchestras and soloists.
Neemi Jarvi at least conducted several neglected composers, on record. But live ?
We can discuss all these composers, and it remains interesting, but they deserve more.
Anyway, the concertzender on internet dedicaties many hours on unknown composers, like Jean Carr, french navel officer and autodidact composer while doing a splendid job as officer, in peace and wartime.
He only demanded a piano in his cabin, and slept above the piano, in a hangmattress.
A special french composer whose 3 daughters even performed his piece for 6 hands on the piano in Paris.

Perhaps, it will always be a dream.

Radioplus.be

Select Klara which is the flemish classical radiostation.

Of course non austria-german radios without interruption , and very good at 320 kbps is
audiophile.
Theres is audiophile classical and baroque. From Greece our southern neighbours.
Now Audiophile is very interesting cause they broadcast often unknown or lesser known works.
Lately I discovered Benoits pianoconcerto op 45b on audiophile.
It is a favourite station of mine.

Visit Audiophile greece and there streams are on the site.

Not to mention Varese, better known, Benoit, Lodewijk Mortelmans, ...
Apart from my Flanders compatriots all part of the famous Flanders School of polyphony, Ockeghem,
Josquin Duprez,...  We did far from bad later to.
Luckily I hear some Mortelmans, which is very good, on the radio sometimes...
Thanks for the info.
Nice to know.