de Zaytz - Symphony; Tkalčić - Cello Concerto

[eternalorphea]

May 21st, 2015, at 20h

Robert Homen, conductor
Croatian Radio-television Symphony Orchestra

Luca Sorgo: 1st Symphony in D-major
Giulio Baiamonti: Concert arias
                      Monika Cerovčec, soprano
Juro Tkalčić: Concerto for Cello and Orchestra in A-minor
                      Branimir Pustički, violoncello
Giovanni de Zaytz: Symphony in C-minor


Broadcast
HR3

[Richard Moss]

Three completely unknowns (to most of us, probably? - certainly me!) and spanning the period late classical to late/post romantic.  Would love to sample these composers - is anyone going to be able to record/post this at some stage?  Much appreciated if you can

Cheers

Richard

[Alan Howe]

Luca Sorgo (also Luka Sorkočević: 1734-1789) is beyond the remit of UC; so is Giulio Baiamonti (b.1744).

However, Juro Tkalčić (1877-1957) sounds more promising, as does Giovanni de Zaytz (1832-1914)...
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Giovanni+von+Zaytz
...about whom we already have this brief thread:
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php?topic=5251.0

[eschiss1]

Granted eternalorphea is no newcomer here, but I keep being reminded that
incidentally to this -particular- topic- it's really past time the site was renamed; newcomers come here thinking we're all about "unsung composers", not "unsung Romantic composers".

(Arguably, even more restrictive than that, given that our "see this topic" fails to eliminate Liszt by one clause (dissonance, modernity- yipe! argh! Horrors! egads!) only by catching him by another (grandfathering in- 19th-century, don'tcha know. You know a definition of music is in trouble when you have to look at the date on the -score- (or worse, research its date of composition), not just listen to it, to see if something fits, btw. But what the heck do _I_ know?) (But... that's a separate point; really, I'm all about needing to change the name of the site... just now )

[Alan Howe]

I think we'll just leave things as they are. I'm far from convinced that a change of name would prevent us from having problems on the outer fringes of romanticism as defined here. Sorry, Eric...

[vicharris]

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/p87qoducezp42/holger

I recorded the concert of HR3--or most of it if anyone is interested. Included the concert with commentator and edited Baimonti, Tklacic, and von Zaytz

[Alan Howe]

Oh, thanks. I'd certainly like to hear the music.

[jerfilm]

Yes, many thanks from me as well.  I'm listening to the cello concerto and I must say what I've heard so far, I like.

Jerry

[britishcomposer]

I just noticed that the download link is not placed in the downloads section but here in the broadcasts thread. Perhaps a mistake?

[JimL]

Do you have movement information on the cello concerto and symphony?

[eschiss1]

Tkalčić cello concerto in A minor Op.10 (1922) - Allegro; Adagio (Elegie) ; Allegro, at least according to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZnDM8ygxc.

(No luck on the symphony at the moment, though I'm interested by something else I see on YouTube, the string quartet in E Op.143 by Zajc/ de Zaytz... (yes, I now know several ways to save these videos to my own HD, that's not what I mean...))
Ah. Zaytz- symphony in C minor "Symphonisches Tongemalde" Op.394 (1876)

[eschiss1]

Hrm, even so, neither the 288 entries under Ivan Zajc in a Slovakian library catalog, nor the 64 entries under Giovanni de Zaytz in the Musiksammlung of the Austrian Library (one of which is a digitized autograph operetta score by him from about 1910), seems to be this symphonic tone-poem/symphony

[eschiss1]

4 movement descriptions, though not tempi, are given on YouTube for the Zaytz symphony--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS9Ce88H2vw
Impatience
Dream-vision
Delusion
Victory and triumph

[JimL]

I actually found the tempos, on an old playlist on a radio station from 2008, of all places:

I. Impatience - Allegro
II. Dream-vision (of happiness) - Andante
III. Illusion (Delusion?) - Scherzo: Allegro giusto
IV. Victory and triumph - Allegro grandioso

I marked them in the comments.  There was a slight difference in the titles on the radio playlist (nuance of translation?)

[Mark Thomas]

Thank you, Jim.