Marx Autumn Symphony from cpo

[mjkFendrich]

I just found a reference, stating that there has been made a studio recording of this symphony (not with the London PO):

   https://www.realsound.it/recording-schedule/

2018, June 26th - 30th: CD studio recording of "Eine Herbstsymphonie" by Joseph Marx with Johannes Wildner and Philharmonisches Orchester Graz for CPO

Unfortunately - as is usual with cpo - there may be a delay of several years (up to 10-12!) between recording and actual release,
but let's hope that we will get this CD much sooner.

[Alan Howe]

Fascinating - thanks. Of course, Graz was where the first modern performance took place:
http://www.joseph-marx.org/en/herbstsymphonie-graz-oct2005.html
Can't be a coincidence, surely...

[JP]

There are now two recent posts showcasing the full performing version in the 2005 rendition by Michel Swierczewski viewed in tandem with the orchestral score as recorded in a ORF radio broadcast from Graz: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LriIm5Gd6osi

...to be compared alongside the abridged version conducted by Leon Botstein some years later though it's not quite clear from the original score as displayed where the cuts were made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLPK8U5dfU8

Happy listening whilst perusing thru the score...

Best wishes to one and all, JP

[Alan Howe]

Thanks, JP. I have moved your post here because of the reference to the Graz recording from 2005. I'm sure some of the players on the cpo recording will have taken part in that performance.

[FBerwald]

I'm not so keen on the conductor Johannes Wildner but we shall see...

[Alan Howe]

Oh, I have some fine recordings conducted by Wildner. Consider this listing:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_pg_2?rh=n%3A229816%2Cn%3A697386%2Ck%3Ajohannes+wildner&page=2&keywords=johannes+wildner&ie=UTF8&qid=1536168409

[adriano]

Yes, Alan, and Wildner's 3CD box with Schumann's complete works for piano and orchestra (Pianist: Lev Vinokour) is quite excellent too. Incidentally, this box also contains Henselt's Piano Concerto (the world premiere of the version corrected by Schumann!).
But I also like very much the "old" ASV CD with Marx's "Natur-Trilogie," conducted by Steven Sloane.
So let's still wait for a reference recording of "Herbst-Symphonie"...

[Alan Howe]

It's always worth consulting Adriano about his conductor colleagues. He either knows them or has seen/heard them!

[FBerwald]

I know he's good with other composers but I've been (once again ) listening lately to my collection of the complete Johann Strauss II edition - and I detest most of the (CD- vol's) works that Wildner has conducted - lets face it these are waltzes not deep ponderous symphonic poems and instead of employing hopping faster tempos, in most cases he's opted for a very broad tempo sometimes stretching these pretty 8 - 9 minute pieces to 11 and above.

[Alan Howe]

Well, I have a really good Schubert 9 under Wildner and then there are those super Dutton issues. I'm not worried...

[eschiss1]

He's also the conductor on some really intriguing new cpo issues I hope to hear (I would have said hope to hear over NML but... - still, I might still buy them) that are no longer part of our remit. (Music by J David, by Erich Zeisl, a recently mentioned disc of Braunfels, concertos by Frédéric d'Erlanger- more in our remit iirc - and one disc of his I've listed to (part of) and do mean to get sooner than later, Bruckner 9 with a reconstruction of the finale, on Naxos...)

[adriano]

Now I am of eschiss1's opinion :-) The Strauss Naxos discs with Wildner are rather boring, and without esprit. Put berhaps those Walzes should be played without esprit, in order to reflect the stiffness of its époque? I suppose this has also to do with the orchestras... Some of those Strauss Edition discs were also conducted by Oliver Dohnány (with Polish Orchestras, better ones than the Kosize one) and Alfred Walter...  and are more sympathetic. Bruckner's Ninth under Wildner is considered so far, even by expert Brucknerians, the best version with the reconstructed finale; but this finale has, in the meantime, been revised once again. I also like Wildner's Braunfels-Dutton. I met Wildner in Vienna once in the 1990s - and he was very nice to me.

[Alan Howe]

I met Wildner in Vienna once in the 1990s - and he was very nice to me.

Told you!

[M. Yaskovsky]

Spotify and iTunes offer a stream of Marx's Herbstsinfonie by Botstein with his ASO. Vladimir Jurowski and his LPO recorded the symphony in november 2017 for their house label - hope it'll be released soon - and rumours go cpo recorded this work already years ago with the Vienna SO under Cornelius Meister.....

[Alan Howe]

Swierczewski's expansive Graz performance can be heard on YouTube here:performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2vmv5v-Izs
...and Botstein's much fleeter performance here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU3aM7dcrPo

I much prefer Swierczewski: Botstein sounds rather apologetic by comparison. I mean, if you're going to perform this piece, you might as well give it everything you've got. Fully welly!